From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Box graphic tweak Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:51:55 +0900 Message-ID: References: <878w29jmg5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83fwwhnjxe.fsf@gnu.org><87y6a8wzsj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hbgwn56q.fsf@catnip.gol.com><8739sg81un.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <49AEB9D768C84AADAD221D9DBE22E44B@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287031933 19064 80.91.229.12 (14 Oct 2010 04:52:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, miles@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 06:52:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FnW-0001g4-E3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:52:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54367 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P6FnV-0006Dy-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56178 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P6FnN-0006Cr-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FnN-0001Wh-17 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp ([150.29.246.133]:46948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FnL-0001W0-At; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp (rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp [150.29.254.115]) by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o9E4puGJ021221; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:51:56 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from smtp3.aist.go.jp by rqsmtp1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o9E4puc8014211; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:51:56 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: by smtp3.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o9E4ptKJ028297; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:51:55 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FnH-0003pw-LU; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:51:55 +0900 In-Reply-To: <49AEB9D768C84AADAD221D9DBE22E44B@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131689 Archived-At: In article <49AEB9D768C84AADAD221D9DBE22E44B@us.oracle.com>, "Drew Adams" writes: > > ??? The default box's line-width of mode-line is -1 to make the > > height of the mode-line the same as the other default lines. > And I tried to stress that a setting of -1 is important, Ah, I didn't read the other mails of the thread. > and that users need to > be able to adjust whatever new boxing features we might add: >>> More importantly, such an appearance difference should in any >>> case be under user control - just as users can today control >>> the box outline width and even whether it extends outside the >>> char size or within it (using a negative width). It must >>> not be forced. >>> >>> IOW, if you would like to make such a feature available to >>> users, great, but it should be as optional as the other `box' >>> attributes. >>> >>> (The ability to use a negative box width is important, BTW, >>> and your new feature should not force a boxed char to always >>> be larger than a normal char - there needs to be some way to >>> control the overall size. I agree. --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org