From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.blogging Subject: Re: [Emacsweblogs] i18n Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:21:37 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1e7a74211001281954h1295a717id942a4405dc98b25@mail.gmail.com> <87vdekbt60.fsf@everybody.org> <1e7a74211001310729s6b0c506cv41cdea9b19274fba@mail.gmail.com> <87fx5l8kat.fsf@everybody.org> <877hqxqqxz.fsf@xemacs.org> <0B0F20F17689462CA495798B348F923D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265073727 14797 80.91.229.12 (2 Feb 2010 01:22:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 01:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mah@everybody.org, emacsweblogs@nongnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, smc@manticore.es, stephen@xemacs.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 02 02:22:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nc7Ss-0000ow-9w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:22:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nc7Sr-0000Ix-Fy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:22:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nc7Sn-0000Ir-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:21:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53586 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nc7Sl-0000Ij-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nc7Sk-00080g-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp ([150.29.246.133]:38627) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nc7Sj-0007yw-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:21:54 -0500 Original-Received: from rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp (rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp [150.29.254.123]) by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o121LeGW017545; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:21:40 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from smtp4.aist.go.jp by rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o121LdIp022178; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:21:39 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: by smtp4.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o121Lb5q003987; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:21:37 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nc7ST-0001kq-9v; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:21:37 +0900 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:33:52 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120806 gmane.emacs.blogging:95 Archived-At: In article , Stefan Monnier writes: >>> It would be easy to change the reader such that _"foo" is >>> automatically read as (_ "foo"), just like we do for 'foo -> (quote foo). > > Oh sure. And break existing code. > I grepped for this sequence before sending the previous email. So while > theoretically there may be code out there that would be affected, > I don't think such code really exists in practice. > > Lisp (in general) has always read + eval'd a sexp such as (list > > 'foo_"bar") to produce the list (foo_ "bar"). You would have it return > > (foo (_ "bar"))? > Actually, I'd probably have it return the same as now because this _ > appears in the "middle" (well, the end) of a symbol. This said, I do not > think there is this kind of code in the wild either, Currently #("bar") is read as "bar". How about reading it as "#("bar" 0 3 (gettext t))? Then, we don't have to introduce any new syntax. --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org