From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Composing Hebrew diacriticals Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:51:18 +0900 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278057116 9273 80.91.229.12 (2 Jul 2010 07:51:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yair F Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 02 09:51:53 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUb2P-0003AV-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:51:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUb2O-0008MS-CO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:51:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41960 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUb26-0008JX-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:51:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUb1y-00037a-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:51:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp ([150.29.246.133]:46305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUb1x-000374-Uk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:51:26 -0400 Original-Received: from rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp (rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp [150.29.254.123]) by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o627pJaR018946; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:51:19 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from smtp2.aist.go.jp by rqsmtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o627pJgh010182; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:51:19 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: by smtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id o627pI6k019135; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:51:18 +0900 (JST) env-from (handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUb1q-0007wt-Hk; Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:51:18 +0900 In-Reply-To: (message from Yair F on Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:30:17 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126679 Archived-At: In article , = Yair F writes: > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Kenichi Handa wrote: > > All those are glyph positioning problems and can be improved > >by adding more code to hebrew-shape-gstring. > What else problem do you expect? Sorry, I just misread what you wrote "I would say that the positioning is not sufficient" as "there should be more work other than positioning". > >I think it's a dirty & > > ad-hoc hack. > > > > Theoretically, it is possible to do the same thing in the > > function hebrew-shape-gstring. =A0But, is it really worth > > doing that? =A0Isn't it enough to tell Hebrew users to use > > properly desinged OpenType fonts? > The sad answer on free systems is that there are nealy no such fonts. > The common answer for "Why is Hebrew so ugly on Linux?" is "Install > Culmus and msttcorefonts". > I guess that is the reason for the twaks you mentioned. Sign... > An additional and possibly less ugly path is to use presentation forms > when available.(UFB20) There are additional forms in the private use > area. Hmmm, that seems to be a practical approach provided that the presentation forms covers most of frequently used character combinations. I'll try to implement it. --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org