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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284439 Archived-At: >>>>> In <87lezrvyfx.fsf@yahoo.com> >>>>> Po Lu wrote: DA> And why was that change finally made? It's DA> what those who decided expected that more DA> users would expect & want. Users out in DA> the wild expect to see text that they select DA> to act on ("activated") be highlighted, so DA> they can see what they'll act on. DA> DA> What was the effect on users who did NOT DA> want `transient-mark-mode' on by default? DA> DA> They turned it off. End of story. Some DA> muffled grumbles, nothing more. Why? DA> Because you can still use Emacs as before - DA> just turn `t-m-mode' off (Customize). DA> Happy campers all around. PL> Lucky. We don't know that would be the case PL> here. (And it was not the case with PL> transient-mark-mode either.) DA> Why didn't we go all the way toward what most DA> new users out there really expected, which is DA> something more like `delete-selection-mode' DA> (which turns on `transient-mark-mode')? Why DA> stop with `t-m-mode', which corresponds to DA> neither what users get outside Emacs nor what DA> Emacs behavior is with `t-m-mode' off? DA> DA> We should have, IMO. Not enough weight to DA> balance the rotund body of Status Quo. I've DA> been betting on `delete-selection-mode' being DA> turned on by default after a few decades, but DA> it's already been a few decades now... (I'm DA> still betting on that happening sometime.) PL> Turning delete-selection-mode on by default PL> would be extremely confusing. I sincerely PL> hope that long standing default behavior will PL> never change as well. Before reading this thread I was not aware of the `delete-selection-mode' after years of using Emacs. Think it might be a idea to add a list of customize variables that could make Emacs behavior closer to "modern editors" experience to the setup wizard (or tutorial). -- LDB