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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654880013; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=UeEQfG8purJ2kFKBOwUFyo2gJ7AxXGQgWlwr8MkwRY4=; b=rNDJe2XJ3mF1fbnosGWaGtShbpli9+Rlg1GWHOam9oAtKiN3niMJtZryjsFBsudk9h/Cxh MRiu1VFzKZ2Yv1nNBcWKNPZSPuVp5eWOVqqVJnCa060XLTaT0yTt4Q7rxWPUhDX+2QOUbn 3I8WwroM4eLjyVMqoQC+4aaN5RPy8caigswjdQOEaKeWmSDDWTQKTGVuWlNizVlsoB2bWn gYjAnxNqtpqfUMqQi6mF6liYLo6WFqdA2u51YALmuTF/y/9BFCejtxtf646oJ9okCKEhPK bhWPcxrbGthoZwow3LHcAcyWdgLouf82YuUC3fK2iss1VliEur+Kr+qejtsPVw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654880013; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Z8rSqbmv9LNEP8clEElvpS2vGg/ePPwlojjyl36ZeOWvRGlqTGX9SK42+ngd3krDNjA8EH H+139z/CtJ4BtJ7tc45DjDEciVY268oaAu8gmpceKs8FWBO5QeLQyuXWiH0zZfP/XY/9tR VvcAvuOpaKbXCTSKdh3mPw4LK8XiMLh0Mk/v+/jCqLnyV5sOISunG5eGFpQR9luVFDSySU PCTKnYJRPPLimwV75wQttUHU8peARm7QlDt/V1M8v+riN/z8f96NUbsBqB4ZBZ4XDkq/Nl lzytTgske+pYRu7sY0Rhec3y6ksP3ZTTEVH9+j6ixB9g5oETF3hTNzDKSqQhog== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.72 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 727463F994 X-Spam-Score: 2.72 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Q1mUACm8rsOL On 07/06/2022 10:09, Samuel Wales wrote: > i must be confused. menus aside, you can currently capture and it > uses the org forest itself, so it is both crash-proof and snappy. and > you can yakshave as much as you want, starting a capture while doing a > capture. those were design goals. > > you can even be in the middle of a capture, get distracted, navigate > around your forest, and find where you are in the middle of a capture. > goes with the original crash-proof and yakshave and snappy > use-original-buffer design goal. > > so are we talking about menus then? is there truly a need to make > /menu state/ persistent or yakshaveable? As soon as capture template is chosen, content is landed to the target file and may be autosaved. I do not expect problems here. However if two org-protocol handlers are launched without specified template then behavior of Org becomes confusing. I meant this case. Currently reading key from minibuffer serves as a kind of synchronization tool. Imagine what would happen if Emacs decided to show several capture menus with keymap non-blocking interface in different virtual desktops. Capture data should be saved somewhere till the user would discover initially hidden menu. For me applications spread over 4 virtual desktops and more than one emacs frame is a usual case. I have not realized yet exact conditions when capture buffer appears in the frame other than one displayed on the active virtual desktop.