* fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
@ 2010-01-13 20:03 Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: 936
It's a long-standing issue that the news->mail gateway does not work
with the bug tracker:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/936
When someone posts a message to the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup, it
appears on the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list, but not in the bug tracker.
For example, Ted Zlatanov's response to bug 5307 today. (Actually, he's
the only person I ever notice using the news gateway to post.)
The only idea I had to fix this was that the news->mail gateway should
inject messages into submit@debbugs.gnu.org rather than directly to
the bug-gnu-emacs list. (Debbugs would then automatically take care of
appending the data to an exiting report or creating a new bug
depending on whether the subject line contained an existing bug
number.)
Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
special case?
Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 20:03 fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
` (3 more replies)
2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 4 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-01-13 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
> standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
> special case?
>
> Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
>
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
@ 2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
Chong Yidong wrote:
> Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
> there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
> too much trouble.
>
> How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
I think the main thing is to advertise that it's become one way.
From looking at debbugs-submit, I think actually doing it might just
be a case of unsetting the Mailman option gateway_to_mail in the
bug-gnu-emacs setup.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
Chong Yidong wrote:
> Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
> there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
> too much trouble.
>
> How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
I think the main thing is to advertise that it's become one way.
From looking at debbugs-submit, I think actually doing it might just
be a case of unsetting the Mailman option gateway_to_mail in the
bug-gnu-emacs setup.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:27 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-14 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
Would it mean that his bug report appears as news, and all seems well,
but it is never seen on the mailing list? That is not a very good
outcome.
If the gateway could send him mail to inform him that he has to post
via mail, not via news, that would be much better.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-01-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: Chong Yidong, emacs-devel, 936
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
> as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
> when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
@ 2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-01-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 936, emacs-devel
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
> as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
> when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
@ 2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-15 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, 936
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
Maybe that is a good idea.
I don't know enough to judge. However, ISTR that it is impossible to
convert a moderated group into a nonmoderated group. If that is true,
we should make damned sure this will work well, before trying it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-14 15:30 ` Jason Rumney
2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-15 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 2:27 ` Glenn Morris
[not found] ` <18629.39337.385988.325295@fencepost.gnu.org>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-15 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: cyd, 936, emacs-devel
I'm not sure what the difficulty is in making gnu.emacs.bug a moderated
group with the bug tracker address as moderator, and output from the bug
tracker considered as the moderated content.
Maybe that is a good idea.
I don't know enough to judge. However, ISTR that it is impossible to
convert a moderated group into a nonmoderated group. If that is true,
we should make damned sure this will work well, before trying it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2010-01-14 14:46 ` Richard Stallman
3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2010-01-14 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 936, emacs-devel
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
I agree there is no _need_ for people to be able to post bug reports
as news. But what would be the practical result of a "one-way gateway"
when someone tries to post a bug report as news?
Would it mean that his bug report appears as news, and all seems well,
but it is never seen on the mailing list? That is not a very good
outcome.
If the gateway could send him mail to inform him that he has to post
via mail, not via news, that would be much better.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
2010-01-13 20:03 fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway Glenn Morris
2010-01-13 21:06 ` bug#936: " Chong Yidong
@ 2010-01-13 21:06 ` Chong Yidong
1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-01-13 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel, 936
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
> standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
> special case?
>
> Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
>
> I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
> mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
> bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
Let's just make it one-way. Maintaining two-way gateways is fine if
there's negligible hassle (e.g. help-gnu-emacs), but in this case it's
too much trouble.
How do we go about making it one-way, tho?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#936: fixing/disabling the bug news->mail gateway
@ 2010-01-13 20:03 Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-01-13 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: 936
It's a long-standing issue that the news->mail gateway does not work
with the bug tracker:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/936
When someone posts a message to the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup, it
appears on the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list, but not in the bug tracker.
For example, Ted Zlatanov's response to bug 5307 today. (Actually, he's
the only person I ever notice using the news gateway to post.)
The only idea I had to fix this was that the news->mail gateway should
inject messages into submit@debbugs.gnu.org rather than directly to
the bug-gnu-emacs list. (Debbugs would then automatically take care of
appending the data to an exiting report or creating a new bug
depending on whether the subject line contained an existing bug
number.)
Does anyone knw if this is doable? It doesn't seem to be possible in a
standard mailman setup, but could the FSF admins somehow add it as a
special case?
Otherwise I reiterate my proposal from
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01209.html
I think it would be acceptable to make the gateway one-way,
mail->news only. I don't think people need to be able to report
bugs via usenet. For those who want to do so, gmane exists.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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