From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John S. Yates, Jr." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Neat features in Eclipse editor Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <873aqia0eh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <873aqiw4xm.fsf@jurta.org> <47E636CB.1050607@gmx.at> <47E6B1F0.7080909@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206303112 27858 80.91.229.12 (23 Mar 2008 20:11:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 23 21:12:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdWYE-00059B-Rb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:12:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdWXd-0006FS-Q5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdWXZ-0006FG-N9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdWXY-0006F4-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdWXX-0006F1-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.56]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdWXX-0001TJ-GZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4eHE1Z00z16AWCUA60Pb00; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:10:39 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.yates-sheets.org ([24.218.183.253]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4kBW1Z0095USsNo8S00000; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:11:33 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xY1_shhyAAAA:8 a=KkIURo5Kk3sOdPH7ojIA:9 a=pJzRDP5Zb1c7YyfW2dznd9FJ2PQA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Original-Received: from [10.1.1.12] by mail (Axigen) with ESMTPA id 0F0BC9; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:06:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <47E6B1F0.7080909@emf.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93262 Archived-At: Thomas Lord writes: >Even better, add a few functions to emacs and turn it into an >X11 window manager, extensible in self-documenting lisp. >Consider the root window as a frame. Has already been done: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XWindowEmacsManager The problem is that a few functions alone do not a polished window = manager make. Do you honestly believe that the emacs community would find the expertise, the focus and the bandwidth to match any of the projects that = I cited? I am sure that it would do a competent job organizing and laying = out emacs windows. I have much less confidence that the idiosyncrasies of = windows displayed by the full panoply of non-emacs applications would receive comparable attention. There is also an important argument against having emacs at the bottom of= the stack. So long as emacs remains single threaded both window and input = event management would likely freeze each time emacs became busy. /john