From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making new files Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 18:54:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4HK_I0Mv8CyU7VO6ja06MTTe-F6SzrEwBOpB_DA05NJYCvTMDyGdCtEuslRObI9WErzhS6K8Ri3O5kxpHh7fnW0IERy9ZIa5L3tavY6y97Q=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5808"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 20:55:21 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3h17-0001LF-RA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 20:55:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3h0f-00049s-5E; Sun, 05 May 2024 14:54:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3h0d-00047W-Fx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 14:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3h0b-0007Wh-0E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 14:54:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1714935286; x=1715194486; bh=kUeZfERp8lDoBaw3GxqncvXV79+vvAr6YgXDXJ1lJ/M=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=O6Bll8zhIM0LxNzPBK/07FWrr7gkL3hN8+aBsDY5XoYrIJhRD49iu0kyzz+4347Uu 8032jqp3sHlBiDrAbzNCModeTTl6gokGzzB8oZmVPa4S8mFY67Omi7NXT0Dw249ikM WcXM4SckzDgL3z29pi6eMjdU3a4IQfIBCRC3oDEjXDcP4C4TCy58IaL4pbG7sKMKaY 1nkUpc3Z/AiTitOxV6scfpmO02vuL6WMrpDAtwWKJWtTF1+CthOmPLxJ/ds/XIssna k5BhwA8TCOXt6DX8A1jYps8JwEC+TMd17UBrOcgbJc5TmQqkuIxqF+nMDpL8dJ9NaJ GpMrCk9LQsncw== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: edd8dbaac65424ffa6eb6fb10b2361dd4801dcf9 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.19; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4319.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:146567 Archived-At: On Monday, May 6th, 2024 at 6:03 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Will do things a different way, disregarding the existence of "Visit > > New File". >=20 >=20 > I think before treating people of stupid, I'd advise to understand why > we do things differently from what you're used to, and I get the > impression that you don't understand that yet. You are correct, eventually you can continue with whatever you want. And I do whatever I want to, some other way. =20 > Basically, in Emacs we don't distinguish whether you're opening an > existing file or a new file. You just `C-x C-f` and then put the name > of the file. The name of the file tells Emacs where to save backups, > which mode to use, which project it belongs to, etc... >=20 > If the user just says "give me a new file buffer", we can't provide > a very good experience because we don't know where this file will be > saved, which project it will belong to, and most importantly which mode > it should use.=20 I agree. There must be a misunderstanding because I have not been referrin= g to "give me a new file buffer". But "give me a new file" which distinguish= es=20 that you are saving a new one (as with "Save As") rather than opening an=20 existing one.=20 > LibreOffice has a similar problem so when you ask for > a "new document" it has to prompt you back to choose the kind of > document, which is akin to our major modes, except we have many more > major modes. Choosing a file name is usually not harder for you than > choosing a major mode, and it gives Emacs more information. >=20 >=20 > Stefan