From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: notbob Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: 26 Jun 2012 19:28:26 GMT Message-ID: References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <83086e1d-d66a-4e0c-95a7-92d10a6de7e7@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <87r4t3krun.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340739015 26083 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2012 19:30:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:30:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 26 21:30:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjbSm-0007it-6j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:30:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46406 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjbSm-00051f-4C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:30:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Trace: individual.net /bkHPwU05aSEmzXH+uSuGQpT2Bc22FJFLSrXUBcd0jKA+zSRmfMHVCP+jTaqDzXli4 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2Zq6Mdln668sq7/JQI6xpvnRkm8= User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:193094 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85490 Archived-At: On 2012-06-26, Richard Riley wrote: > To say its already too complex is silly. Granted, but like my view, yours is only opinion, not fact. I think emacs suffers from the old dilemma of trying to be too many things, almost none of them the best. slrn is a better newsreader, irssi is a better IRC client, bash is a better shell. I use emacs cuz I like the convenience of a file mgr and editor seamlessly integrated into one app. Nobody does this better than emacs, IMO. I'm also glad you are happy with the documentation. As someone who is actually pretty good at reading manuals and even has some experience as a technical writer, I think it leaves a lot to be desired and is often needlessly vague and confusing and assumes too much of the reader. > You only need to be aware of the features YOU need. I don't need a lot of things. I don't need about 90% of what emacs can do. In fact, quite often I use something else cuz emacs is not always the best choice. Piling on more features instead of improving the ones it already has is not always in the best interest of the software package, as a whole. There's a less flattering term for that sort of approach. It's called bloat. I realize emacs would be much more useful if I was a programmer, particularly a lisp programmer, but I'm not. Perhaps, one day, I will be, though not likely. ;) nb -- vi --the heart of evil! Support labeling GMOs