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From: notbob <notbob@nothome.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Issues with emacs
Date: 26 Jun 2012 19:28:26 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnjuk3fp.2mn.notbob@nbleet.hcc.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3520.1340735564.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

On 2012-06-26, Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> wrote:

> To say its already too complex is silly. 

Granted, but like my view, yours is only opinion, not fact.  

I think emacs suffers from the old dilemma of trying to be too many
things, almost none of them the best.  slrn is a better newsreader,
irssi is a better IRC client, bash is a better shell.  I use emacs cuz
I like the convenience of a file mgr and editor seamlessly integrated
into one app.  Nobody does this better than emacs, IMO.  

I'm also glad you are happy with the documentation.  As someone who is
actually pretty good at reading manuals and even has some experience
as a technical writer, I think it leaves a lot to be desired and is
often needlessly vague and confusing and assumes too much of the
reader.

> You only need to be aware of the features YOU need.  

I don't need a lot of things.  I don't need about 90% of what emacs
can do.  In fact, quite often I use something else cuz emacs is not
always the best choice.  Piling on more features instead of improving
the ones it already has is not always in the best interest of the
software package, as a whole.  There's a less flattering term for that
sort of approach.  It's called bloat.

I realize emacs would be much more useful if I was a programmer,
particularly a lisp programmer, but I'm not.  Perhaps, one day, I will
be, though not likely.  ;)

nb

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-26 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.2952.1339986753.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-18  3:22 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18  9:32   ` djc
2012-06-18 10:25     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 17:09     ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-21 15:27 ` rusi
2012-06-22  6:19   ` Tom
2012-06-22  8:45     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22  9:40       ` Tom
2012-06-22 11:07         ` Bastien
2012-06-22 11:16           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 23:19             ` James Freer
2012-06-25  7:23               ` give emacs --daemon / emacsclient a try (was: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?) Gregor Zattler
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3407.1340581002.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  2:58               ` Emacs for writers (was " rusi
2012-06-25  9:38                 ` James Freer
2012-06-26 21:47                   ` James Freer
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3534.1340747277.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27  3:41                     ` rusi
2012-06-22 13:13           ` Emacs users a dying breed? Tom
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3233.1340370922.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 14:12             ` Jay Belanger
2012-06-22 15:02               ` Tom
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3245.1340377350.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 18:25                 ` John Bokma
2012-06-22 11:17         ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 12:03           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 12:21             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-22 13:04               ` Jonathan Groll
2012-06-23 11:33                 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:05                   ` Teemu Likonen
2012-06-23 12:35                     ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-23 13:53                       ` S Boucher
2012-06-23 12:37                     ` suvayu ali
2012-06-25 19:00                   ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-23 14:02               ` S Boucher
2012-06-22 12:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-22 13:27               ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 13:45               ` Doug Lewan
2012-06-22 13:09           ` Tom
2012-07-02 11:36             ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2012-06-22 15:08 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) rusi
2012-06-22 15:26   ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-23  2:28     ` rusi
2012-06-23  9:47       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-22 16:41   ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Drew Adams
2012-06-22 18:01     ` Bastien
2012-06-23 20:04       ` Tom
2012-06-24 11:38         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-06-24 14:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25 19:23           ` Ludwig, Mark
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3361.1340537904.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 13:52           ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3330.1340481863.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-23 23:49         ` Dan Espen
2012-06-24  1:24           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-24  2:39           ` ken
2012-06-25 18:02             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26  3:03               ` becoming a developer [was: Re: Issues with emacs] ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3485.1340679833.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26  3:23                 ` rusi
     [not found]                   ` <CAPyVhy_fL3KLrNzqOMbg69UqUMAKPmXbbu7gVYQcK+KiML44hA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ+Teof7T6qXdztq_Pjh+S8gVXQV-ToYJ6EQrPNYQAumn_aDOA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-06-27 13:38                       ` antoine no
2012-06-27 17:44                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2012-06-26 12:29                 ` becoming a lisp developer Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:36                   ` ken
2012-06-27 16:12                     ` PJ Weisberg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3561.1340811384.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27 16:09                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3455.1340647361.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25 18:40               ` Issues with emacs notbob
2012-06-25 19:05                 ` Glyn Millington
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3348.1340505598.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24  6:39             ` rusi
2012-06-24  7:01               ` Corentin Henry
2012-06-24  7:55                 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 17:38                     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 18:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3355.1340524541.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:17                   ` notbob
2012-06-24 13:24                     ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 14:42                       ` Yuri Khan
2012-06-24 15:08                       ` Gregory Benjamin
2012-06-25 19:26                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-25 19:25                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 13:36                     ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.3362.1340544276.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 14:03                       ` notbob
2012-06-24 16:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 10:14               ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 14:18                 ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 15:41                   ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 16:07                     ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 16:48                       ` Rainer M Krug
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3354.1340521292.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:15                 ` notbob
2012-06-24 14:02               ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25  3:54               ` ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3424.1340596458.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  5:51                 ` rusi
2012-06-25  7:45                   ` Helmut Eller
2012-06-25  8:57                     ` Tom
2012-06-25 21:24                       ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-26  5:50                         ` Tom
2012-06-26 20:08                           ` Jeremiah Dodds
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3486.1340689846.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 13:29                           ` notbob
2012-06-26 17:47                             ` Dustin Hemmerling
2012-06-26 18:13                             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26 18:32                             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-28 12:14                               ` Tom
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3520.1340735564.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 19:28                               ` notbob [this message]
2012-06-26 19:49                                 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-06-26 19:52                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:49                                   ` PJ Weisberg
2012-06-28  2:09                                     ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3523.1340740164.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 20:13                                   ` notbob
2012-06-26 23:57                             ` John Wiegley
2012-06-27  9:23                               ` temacs Jambunathan K
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-06-28  2:40                                   ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-06-28  8:49                                     ` temacs Bastien
2012-06-29 19:37                                       ` temacs Ken Goldman
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.3732.1340998682.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-30  3:51                                         ` temacs rusi
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs suvayu ali
2012-06-27 16:24                                   ` temacs Alp Aker
2012-06-27 19:57                                     ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-07-05  4:14                                 ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-05 12:46                                   ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-07 16:51                                     ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-07 17:20                                       ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-27 15:48                             ` Issues with emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-06-26  3:08                     ` rusi
2012-06-26  8:35                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-27  5:54                   ` MBR
2012-06-26 18:03             ` Bug Dout
2012-06-25  2:43       ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Ugly Sean

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