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From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fixing antediluvianisms in Emacs' UI
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 21:18:19 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrni3f4gr.avn.nospam-abuse@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87mxu22rbc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz

On 2010-07-08, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
> I think the point was that the manual was not deficient concerning the
> information it provides, but in not making Xah Lee want to read it.

> In a way, it is a losing battle.

Why consider it in military terms?  The question at point is that
Emacs' UI is lacking.  So just fix it: make it self-documenting, as
any good-UI program should be...

Looks like some vestiges of 80s' mentality still remains in Emacs
design: at the time, a common misconception was that problems with UI
may be "fixed" by updating the manuals.  Well, even if one still
believes in this way, it is a dead end: Emacs' manual IS quite good
already, so the improvements achieved in this way would have a trace
value only.

Now, after the flood of "grandmother revolution" [*], we know OTHER
ways.  "Self-documenting" means the program guides the user how to use
it.  Emacs is now flexible enough so that with most tasks, this may be
easily achieved.

  [*] this is how as one of the designers of Plan9 called the major
      event of 90s: achievement of understanding of UI design so good
      that UI accessible to "grandmothers" may be created.  He
      attributes this breakthrough to effort of M$; I tend to agree...

> People expect software to just work without reading manuals.

That's right.  And when we can EASILY cater to their expectations, we should.

The question at point: ISearch.  Lemme sketch one possiblity of adding
self-documentation to ISearch (people with better UI-design experience
must be able to find something yet better):

  a) Change the prompt (configurable; verbose by default;
     self-documentation should mention how to disable verbosity):

		Isearch (F1 for help):

  b) bind F1 F1 to "Open manual on basics of Isearch";

  c) bind F1 to open a shrink-wrapped buffer with "Quick info" on
     ISearch.  This info should include the `current state' (case
     sensitivity etc) - plus information where this state "comes
     from": e.g., whether the particular setting is mode-specific.  It
     should also state how to toggle "I" in ISearch, toggle case-fold,
     switch direction, regexpness, by-word, different ways to quit,
     etc.

     Should also state how to start Isearch in `a particular state'
     (with some toggles pre-loaded).

Does not look difficult to do, does it?

Hope this helps,
Ilya


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-09 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-07  6:43 Rapidly navigating buffers using search Jonathan Groll
2010-07-07  6:52 ` Aidan Gauland
2010-07-07  6:54 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-07-07  7:40 ` Qiang Guo
2010-07-07  8:01   ` Jonathan Groll
2010-07-07  8:45     ` Andrea Crotti
2010-07-07  9:33       ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-07 10:25         ` Jonathan Groll
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11.1278498387.2272.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <9dc07ed9-f6f1-4ac5-949a-5b97368cc32a@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
2010-07-08  2:28             ` despen
     [not found]               ` <87mxu22rbc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2010-07-08 17:59                 ` bolega
2010-07-08 22:11                   ` WYSIWYG and usability (was: " Peter Flynn
2010-07-08 20:42                 ` despen
2010-07-09 21:18                 ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2010-07-10 14:22                   ` Fixing antediluvianisms in Emacs' UI Pascal J. Bourguignon
2010-07-09 21:39                 ` Rapidly navigating buffers using search Ilya Zakharevich
2010-07-10 18:13                 ` Xah Lee
2010-07-10 23:25                   ` B. T. Raven
2010-07-11  4:47                     ` Xah Lee
2010-07-11 13:31                       ` B. T. Raven
2010-07-11 16:13                         ` David Kastrup
2010-07-11 21:58                           ` B. T. Raven
     [not found]                         ` <873cd6b9-8a85-478f-9943-c3ce09eb62c6@n8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
2010-07-11 21:50                           ` B. T. Raven
2010-07-10 21:01             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-07 10:54 ` Aidan Gauland

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