From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jim Diamond Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:42:29 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291842163 32630 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 21:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:02:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 22:02:37 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQR9j-0002VB-3B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:02:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQQqh-0005OZ-RH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:42:52 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.euro.net!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 24 Injection-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx03.eternal-september.org; posting-host="kJRC+PrHhFmVSDxFGC6qug"; logging-data="29170"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186/0bDX1xZadiBPMAzBfmP" User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mLT7VTOoQ+4j7lDTtjSkAtsDZW0= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178915 comp.emacs:100016 comp.lang.lisp:289067 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76005 Archived-At: On 2010-06-13 at 17:56 ADT, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > In comp.emacs Mark Crispin wrote: >> This wouldn't have been a problem had the arrow keys been changed to >> the new semantics and CTRL-A/E/N/P been left alone. The new semantics >> are even arguably right for arrow keys (although I would go further and >> say that they should also treat tabs as the equivalent number of >> spaces). It isn't as if we're still in the 1970s and have keyboards >> without arrow keys. > The arrow keys are a long way away from the home position on the > keyboard. You're surely not suggesting rebinding those four key > sequences to something else? Why not? Presumably (*) the idea of having long lines and moving to the next visual line (as the default) is to placate word-processor refugees, who are probably used to using arrow keys (regardless of how far they are from the home position) and not interested in using Ctrl-A,E,N,P. (*) Wild speculation, since I didn't read the discussion on the developer list. Mea culpa. Jim