From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilya Zakharevich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using Emacs on small-display devices Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291826402 15783 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 16:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 17:39:59 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQN3d-0005bs-Pw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:39:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36746 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQN3d-0003o4-45 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:39:57 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!newsserver.news.garr.it!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Injection-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 05:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="LlLjF8LevGdIZWbTvv+SXA"; logging-data="12664"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX195nJjqGVC/t7g0KfDwY3Fw" User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NR474t/1wZftoXfhHxydLn4rPp4= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178553 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75630 Archived-At: On 2010-06-02, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Let me rephrase my question then: WHICH parameters, to which values? > > If I did not write it, it's because I didn't know it. > So I did what you didn't do: C-h i m elisp RET m frame paramters RET and > looked around. The answer is in "29.3.3.3 Size Parameters" Doing this in my 21.4.1.... Nothing relevant... Logging into a machine with 23.2, and rechecking... Still nothing relevant... Sorry, but I cannot judge your advice as helping a bit. I still have no info how the positions are counted: from "outside of the window frame", or "inside the window frame", or from "outside edge of the screen frame", or "inside edge of the screen frame" (what is called "workspace" sometimes - the screen minus all the "keep visible" toolbars)... (Moreover, according to 23.2 docs, there is something fishy with using negative offsets - which may be needed with some combinations of the answers to the questions above. [Let me remind you: what I want is positioning of the "inside edge of the window frame" over the "outside edge of the screen". My FF does it on F11; Acroread on ^-L.] [And I do not care about "sizes" in pixel - they have very little to do with widget layout in presence of scrollbars and other ornaments (not even speaking about variable fonts. I want sizing in pixels...] Yours, Ilya