From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilya Zakharevich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Using Emacs on small-display devices Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291824490 5706 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 16:08:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:08:10 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 17:08:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMYe-0002Xp-Rp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:07:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQMYe-00009l-7d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:07:56 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Injection-Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="LlLjF8LevGdIZWbTvv+SXA"; logging-data="16793"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/cVQaUGgBlw0m/xmYRqOrL" User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UHM0SJcphm4zr9fx23Jq6WGKs4Q= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178488 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75583 Archived-At: > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Ken Hori wrote: >> Is there any way to move the modeline, and the minibuffer line, >> of a frame from the bottom to the top? On 2010-05-30, Lennart Borgman wrote: > No, if you do not want to rewrite the display engine in Emacs. I think the important things are the following abilities: a) separate the message area and minibuffer; b) overlay the message area and modeline (message replaces file name?); c) put a "pseudo-menubar" icon on modeline: clicking on it pops up a popup-equivalent of menubar (i.e., vertical vs horizontal layout); c') put modeline on top, since it is where one expects such icons; d) ability to make a minibuffer overlaid "on top of" modeline, so it does not take place when not needed. e) ability to make emacs full-screen (no border, no taskbar visible); f) ability to switch between two layouts (one as above, one "usual") by one keypress. This way one would be able to use 4 more lines for editing (crucial on smaller average screens of today devices). I think some of these must be trivial even today, some may require a minor rewrite of the display engine... Hope this helps, Ilya