From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joost Kremers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: 21 Sep 2008 19:01:40 GMT Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222026050 32184 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2008 19:40:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:40:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 21 21:41:46 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KhUoT-0001Ar-8b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:41:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38910 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KhUnR-0004zj-F4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:40:41 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Trace: individual.net Vm8X67w5RxoPXtLNcNcFqw+5C1dQHSI8vD0dZ2oL5MqHnPieZN Cancel-Lock: sha1:MYs4cMQlffHljT9dzV3eYZSJSX0= Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Editor: Emacs of course! User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (Linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162533 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57875 Archived-At: Christian Herenz wrote: > Xah schrieb: > >> I think the existance of the lisp scratch buffer is one of the major >> usability problem of emacs that prevents emacs from being widely >> adopted by most text editing audience. personally, i find it unlikely that the *scratch* buffer has ever kept anyone from adopting emacs. i also find it extremely unlikely that anyone will be convinced to start using emacs when the *scratch* buffer is ditched. personally, i see emacs as a sophisticated tool for professionals. just as i wouldn't buy a ¤10.000 SLR camera for the occasional holiday snapshot i take, other people don't depend on an editor that much to (want to) invest time in learning emacs. > Hah... Having not read the whole conversation of this topic, I want to add an > experience I made last week. I was in the lab, and saw that a guy on the other > site worked inside an xemacs session. I asked him, why he puts everything in the > *scratch* buffer - and he looked at me and asked "buffer - scratch - sure you > are allright". I think that lots of emacs users today just use emacs as it where > notepad.exe or something like that, especially in scientifc environments some > people could boost their productivity, if they would at least know some of the > basics of the editor in the beginning of their career. When I told the guy: "Do > you know, that you can open more than one file at a time in emacs?" He asked me: > "Why the hell should I want to do that - I just open another emacs...". man... such people should simply be banned from using emacs ever again. ;-) -- Joost Kremers joostkremers@yahoo.com Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht EN:SiS(9)