From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Will Parsons Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ergonomic keybinding. Need qwerty testers. Date: 3 Sep 2008 00:21:16 GMT Message-ID: References: <0d1b5fbb-b1ac-4ba1-ad0f-1c1d762e319a@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: ellenophilos@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220413695 9236 80.91.229.12 (3 Sep 2008 03:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:48:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 03 05:49:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KajMi-0004Qw-VP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35321 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KajLj-0002ut-Vw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:48:08 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-X-Trace: individual.net k4Pbb0yYg7bNJPurmdvqbAxGcXoCTkPkJ3wcObIHnEhPN4s+vk Cancel-Lock: sha1:U2G9BjdGfTsohAubnrG51PK2Njk= User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:161858 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:46:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57202 Archived-At: Xah wrote: > The erognomic keybinding has a new version. > > http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html > > A visual image for old and new layout can be seen at: > http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding_change.html > > Description of the main changes: > > ? Added delete-backward-char, delete-char, delete-backward-word, > delete-word commands. > ? The undo, cut, copy, paste, positions has been moved. > > Since i don't use qwerty, i'm looking for feedback on qwerty users. > (i.e. in case i had some elisp code errors, or any issues that might > come up) Some comments: I've been giving your keyboard mapping a try and generally like it. In particular, I like the cut/paste series (M-x, M-c, M-v) and the window-splitting series (M-0, M-1, M-2). I do regret, however, that the M-c binding does conflict with the default capitalize-word binding, as I use the capitalization functions bound by default to M-c, M-u, and M-l pretty frequently. At the moment, I've configured a "windows" key to be Hyper and bound the capitalization functions to H-c, H-u, and H-l, so I'll see how that works out. (I've noticed a slight anomaly - since M-x is bound to kill-region, M-a is used for execute-extended-command, but when one hits M-a, one is still presented with a prompt "M-x ".) As far as the cursor movement bindings, the single character movement bindings seem natural enough, but I suspect I'll prefer to continue to use arrow keys. I'll have to give the other movement bindings more of trial before making a final judgement, though the combinations involving M+S (Alt+Shift) seem a little awkward to me. I've bound M-g to goto-line for some time now, and am happy with the standard C-k for kill-line, so prefer not to rebind M-g. Similarly, I've bound M-p to ps-print-buffer, and since I don't use the recenter function too often, am happy to stick with C-l for it. I found the binding of M-d to delete-backward-char somewhat disconcerting, because even though I've bound C-delete to kill-word, I'm still acustomed to having M-d perform the same function in other contexts (e.g., in bash). -- Will