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* New start up splash screen annoyance...
@ 2007-09-09 13:56 Sascha Wilde
  2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread
From: Sascha Wilde @ 2007-09-09 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Hi *,

basically I like the idea of a configurable start-up behavior.  But
the current implementation is IMNSHO very flawed:

- First and most annoying: starting Emacs with an file to visit as
  argument no longer works as expected.  Without doing any configuration
  you always get the new splash screen and of cause C-l or starting
  editing doesn't make it go away.  You can switch to the buffer with
  the file using C-x C-b, but the splash screen doesn't tell you that.

I would like to have the old behavior back:  if a file name was given
on the command line the user definitely wants to edit that file, and
so any editing/movement/redraw command should switch to that files
buffer immediately.  In case people don't agree on that, the splash
screen should at least mention how to enter the buffer.

- Second, and maybe even worse: None of the settings for
  initial-buffer-choice restores the old behavior.  One might expect,
  that setting initial-buffer-choice to t (open *scratch* buffer)
  would be the right choice, but it isn't.  If set that way, the
  annoying behavior described above stays with the only differences,
  that the *scratch* buffer is opened and stays, even if a file to
  edit was given on start-up.

One would expect that at least one value of initial-buffer-choice
would restore the old behavior, which many of use are used to and
which at least me likes best: open *scratch* as default but open the
buffer(s) for the given files from the command line if there were
any. 

The only working solution is to set inhibit-splash-screen to t
and leave initial-buffer-choice nil -- which is a pity as the new
possibility of customizing the default behavior is lost.

- Third, as setting inhibit-splash-screen is the only (and as far as I
  can see not ell documented) way to get back the old behavior, it is
  a (minor) annoyance that inhibit-splash-screen not only turns of the
  splash screen, but the initial message in the *scratch* buffer too.
  Actually I never understood why this two things are configured by
  only one variable.

cheers
sascha
-- 
Sascha Wilde
    "Liebet eure Feinde, vielleicht schadet das ihrem Ruf" 
    (Stanislaw Jerzy Lec)

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* tramp
@ 2002-10-01 23:59 ftrw
       [not found] ` <nq8z1hl42y.fsf@alcatel.de>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread
From: ftrw @ 2002-10-01 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hi,

I was using tramp last week and it worked.  Now it does not work.  I
suppose I added some new packages (w3 and gnuserv) and tweaked my
.emacs but I cannot figure out what.  Here are the symptoms:

 C-x C-f begins to find a file 

 I clear the minibuffer line and type '/' <TAB> <TAB> and a
 completions list window pops up, showing me all of the files and
 directories in my / directory and all of the hosts in my
 ~/.ssh/known_hosts file.

 I can complete the machine name, as '/machine.uaf.edu:' and when
 I hit <TAB> again, I get a [no match] command.

 If I complete the file name by typing it, as 
 '/machine.uaf.edu:.emacs', I get a message that says:

     'File not found and directory write-protected'

 It is trying to create a file in my root directory.  So tramp finds
 my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file ok but then the connection is not
 happening.

Thank you for any help.

Ryan

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* Tramp
@ 2002-09-25 12:34 Roger Mason
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread
From: Roger Mason @ 2002-09-25 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw)


Hello,

I put (setq tramp-default-method "telnet") in my .emacs file.  Now, when I
try to contact a remote machine this error is returned:

 "Args out of range: 0,0".

If I try again, I get
 
"File not found and directory write-protected"

I assume something is still not configured correctly.
   
Thanks for any help.
 
Roger Mason

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* Re: How to make emacs auto-recognize utf-8 encoded files upon visiting
@ 2002-09-24  8:59 Charles Muller
  2002-09-24 19:05 ` tramp Roger Mason
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread
From: Charles Muller @ 2002-09-24  8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)


Miles Bader asked:

>I'm sure, but saying `download an entirely new version of emacs' is a
>rather heavyweight solution.

As I understand it, it is not an entirely new version, in the sense that it
does not replace the basic program files for Emacs itself. But it supplies
its own version of Mule-UCS, and everything concerned with doing
XML/HTML/XSLT in international environments.

> If they've hacked emacs to do a better job of this, how did they do it?
> Did they ever try to submit their changes back to emacs?

I am not a member of the TEI Consortium, so I can't answer this. Certainly,
all the source code for what they've done is readily and openly available
for anyone interested. 

All I know is that before I began to use this package, when doing mail in
Emacs (21.2), there was never any automatic recognition of any kinds of
non-Western encoding. Now it recognizes Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and
whatever, whether these be in the local encoding (JIS, Big5, etc.) or
Unicode, without me having to do "prefer-coding-system" or anything like
that. As a person working in several languages, Emacs would be of very
little use to me without this.

Chuck

---------------------------
Charles Muller  <acmuller@gol.com>
Faculty of Humanities,  Toyo Gakuen University
Digital Dictionary of Buddhism and CJKV-English Dictionary 
[http://www.acmuller.net]
Mobile Phone: 090-9310-1787

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* tramp
@ 2002-08-02  1:29 Miles Bader
  2002-08-02  9:23 ` tramp Kai Großjohann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2002-08-02  1:29 UTC (permalink / raw)


Is tramp in the current emacs CVS (2002-08-02) supposed to work?

I've tried a bunch of different filenames, and invariably tramp gets
confused and just hangs waiting for a prompt or something.  When I use
^G to interrupt it, and look at the `*tramp...*' buffer, I see a shell
prompt (but apparently tramp never realized it).


For instance, visiting:

`/sudo:root@localhost:/etc':

   Shows the following messages:

      tramp: Opening connection for `root' using `sudo'...
      tramp: Processing actions
      tramp: Waiting 60s for prompt from remote shell
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\([pP]assword\|passphrase.*\):
      tramp: Looking for pattern .*ogin: *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^\(([^) 	]*)\|[^> 	]*[>]\)\s-*
      tramp: Found remote shell prompt.
      tramp: Waiting 30s for remote `/bin/sh' to come up...
      Quit

  [Seeing `Found remote shell prompt' immediately followed by 
   `Waiting 30s for remote `/bin/sh' to come up' seems ... odd.]

  Looking in the `*tramp/sudo root@localhost*' buffer, I see:

     sh-2.05b# 


`/su:root@localhost:/etc':

   Shows the following messages:

      tramp: Opening connection for `root' using `su'...
      tramp: Processing actions
      tramp: Waiting 60s for prompt from remote shell
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\([pP]assword\|passphrase.*\):
      Password: 
      Password: .
      Password: ..
      Password: .......
      tramp: Looking for pattern .*ogin: *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^\(([^) 	]*)\|[^> 	]*[>]\)\s-*
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\(Permission denied.\|Login [Ii]ncorrect\|Received signal [0-9]+\|Connection \(refused\|closed\)\|Sorry, try again.\|Name or service not known\).*
      tramp: Looking for pattern Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)\? *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\([pP]assword\|passphrase.*\):
      tramp: Looking for pattern .*ogin: *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^\(([^) 	]*)\|[^> 	]*[>]\)\s-*
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\(Permission denied.\|Login [Ii]ncorrect\|Received signal [0-9]+\|Connection \(refused\|closed\)\|Sorry, try again.\|Name or service not known\).*
      tramp: Looking for pattern Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)\? *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\([pP]assword\|passphrase.*\):
      tramp: Looking for pattern .*ogin: *
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^\(([^) 	]*)\|[^> 	]*[>]\)\s-*
      tramp: Looking for pattern ^.*\(Permission denied.\|Login [Ii]ncorrect\|Received signal [0-9]+\|Connection \(refused\|closed\)\|Sorry, try again.\|Name or service not known\).*
      tramp: Looking for pattern Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)\? *
      Quit

   [Note that even though the above appears as if it's asking a user
    question, it doesn't seem to accept any input; I have to interrupt
    it to do anything]

   Looking in the `*tramp/su root@localhost*' buffer, I see:


      mcspd15:~# 

   [that's a blank line at the beginning].


Trying to use the `ssh' method to connect to `fp-ssh.gnu.org' gives
similar results to the latter, but without the password prompt (I have
ssh setup to not require a password).

Thanks,

-Miles

-- 
`...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive
 that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products
 less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.'  [The Economist]

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2002-09-27 11:43   ` tramp Kai Großjohann
2002-09-27 12:15     ` tramp Roger Mason
2002-09-27 13:59       ` tramp Carsten Dominik
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2002-09-28 14:18             ` Roger Mason
2002-09-28 16:00               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-28 17:51                 ` Roger Mason
2002-10-01 17:42                 ` Roger Mason
2002-10-02 14:34                 ` Roger Mason
2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20   ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:28         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57             ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12  2:48               ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  5:44                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12  7:17                   ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  8:03                     ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12  8:17                     ` Tramp Michael Albinus
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2002-09-25 15:25     ` Tramp Roger Mason
2002-09-25 15:58       ` Tramp Kai Großjohann
2002-09-25 12:34 Tramp Roger Mason
2002-09-24  8:59 How to make emacs auto-recognize utf-8 encoded files upon visiting Charles Muller
2002-09-24 19:05 ` tramp Roger Mason
2002-08-02  1:29 tramp Miles Bader
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