* OT: spam in this newsgroup @ 2002-04-26 8:20 Ralf Fassel 2002-04-27 16:17 ` elf 2002-04-29 0:12 ` spam in this newsgroup Karl Chen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Ralf Fassel @ 2002-04-26 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) I see _lots_ of posts in this group containing `unusual' charsets like Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" and since I'm not fluent in far-east, I wonder whether these are people from Korea posting genuine emacs-related questions in their own language or whether this is plain spam. I don't see that much of it in other (even emacs-related) groups, how come g.e.b. is swamped by this? Again, I don't mean to offend anybody, and if I'm just being ignorant about the world opening up, please forgive me ;-) R' ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup 2002-04-26 8:20 OT: spam in this newsgroup Ralf Fassel @ 2002-04-27 16:17 ` elf 2002-05-08 10:47 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-04-29 0:12 ` spam in this newsgroup Karl Chen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: elf @ 2002-04-27 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw) I agree with your sentiment. It would be nice if all that spam could be stopped at the gateway. Since the "Emacs maintainers only understand English (so please submit your bug-reports in English)" is there a point in allowing posts with non-Latin1 charsets through? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup 2002-04-27 16:17 ` elf @ 2002-05-08 10:47 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-05-10 14:45 ` elf 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dan Jacobson @ 2002-05-08 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw) I was bored so, well, I looked at other peoples posts instead of my own, and >>>>> "e" == elf <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: e> Since the "Emacs maintainers only understand English (so please e> submit your bug-reports in English)" is there a point in allowing e> posts with non-Latin1 charsets through? whatsyourproblem? There, try my big5 .sig for size. And furthermore, how am I to have erudite discussions with Handa about the benefits of some mule thingy. Obviously your request is, well, xxx-centric. -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780 積丹尼 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup 2002-05-08 10:47 ` Dan Jacobson @ 2002-05-10 14:45 ` elf 2002-05-12 22:54 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: elf @ 2002-05-10 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) jidanni@deadspam.com (Dan Jacobson) writes: > whatsyourproblem? There, try my big5 .sig for size. And furthermore, > how am I to have erudite discussions with Handa about the benefits of > some mule thingy. Obviously your request is, well, xxx-centric. That's a valid argument (for once). In the buffer that is created when Help->Send Bug Report... is selected, it says: This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English, because the Emacs maintainers do not have translators to read other languages for them. To address your concerns, then, any subject-line that is entirely non-latin-1 (?) can be considered spam. There are lots of messages that meet this heuristic. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup 2002-05-10 14:45 ` elf @ 2002-05-12 22:54 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dan Jacobson @ 2002-05-12 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "e" == elf <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes: e> Please write in English, because the Emacs maintainers do not e> have translators to read other languages for them. e> To address your concerns, then, any subject-line that is entirely e> non-latin-1 (?) can be considered spam. OK, but it must be entirely... however, I think that even if I say Subject: mule: I think ○ should be listed under ling2 The whole contents of the subject might become encoded even if there's only one Chinese char... >>>>> "R" == Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> writes: R> I see _lots_ of posts in this group containing `unusual' charsets like R> Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" R> and since I'm not fluent in far-east, I wonder whether these are R> people from Korea posting genuine emacs-related questions in their own Actually it only takes about two hours to master the Korean alphabet, and one can then even make out words like Kleenex spelled in Korean. R> language or whether this is plain spam. I don't see that much of it R> in other (even emacs-related) groups, how come g.e.b. is swamped by R> this? Again, I don't mean to offend anybody, and if I'm just being R> ignorant about the world opening up, please forgive me ;-) yes, Korean Kleenex has little to do with emacs. Actually I would like folks to find better spam triggers than going the charset direction or country of origin type direction, as one day a real user will get his first bug "whitywalled" and never touch emacs again: Joe from Asia's first emacs bug report somehow triggers a spam filter, Ah, Joe says "Oh, so I come from the land of spam [ISPs], fine, sorry to unfreshen your air, it won't happen again". -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-10 14:45 ` elf 2002-05-12 22:54 ` Dan Jacobson @ 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 7:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-13 4:37 UTC (permalink / raw) elf@ee.ryerson.ca writes: > This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, > not to your local site managers! > > Please write in English, because the Emacs maintainers do not > have translators to read other languages for them. I'm wondering whether that's still a valid restriction. I like to help with bug reports written in German. My proposal: Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers do not necessarily/always?[please, choose a good word] have translators to read other languages for them. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-13 7:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2002-05-13 12:39 ` Miles Bader 2002-05-13 17:00 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2002-05-13 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs Karl Eichwalder <keichwa@gmx.net> writes: I'm wondering whether that's still a valid restriction. I like to help with bug reports written in German. My proposal: Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers do not necessarily/always?[please, choose a good word] have translators to read other languages for them. etc/SERVICE lists people who declare their ability to go beyond the rigid (but imminently practical) constraints currently in place. i think the best thing to do would be to encourage people to look in that file for local help. thi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 7:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2002-05-13 12:39 ` Miles Bader 2002-05-13 18:22 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 17:00 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2002-05-13 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw) keichwa@gmx.net (Karl Eichwalder) writes: > I'm wondering whether that's still a valid restriction. I like to help > with bug reports written in German. My proposal: > > Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers > do not necessarily/always?[please, choose a good word] have > translators to read other languages for them. I don't think it's really a `restriction', but rather just a strong warning that bug reports are much more likely to be considered if the maintainers can read them. Even if there are some other-language speakers reading the bug report lists (and in fact there are quite a few), the only guarantee that can currently be given is that english will be understood (though to be honest, I guess German would be a pretty good bet too...). So in a general sense, it's still a better bet for someone to use terribly broken english than some other language, and the message shown has to emphasize that; I'm a bit worried that anything less strong that the current message would result in people thinking `well, _maybe_ someone understands language Foo, and my english isn't very good, so...' [Note that if someone's english _isn't_ understandable, then it's often easy to see where they sent their message from, and for a speaker of that country's language to ask for a clarification, if they happen to be reading the list -- and if there is no such speaker reading, well, the reporter isn't any worse off!] -Miles -- Yo mama's so fat when she gets on an elevator it HAS to go down. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-13 12:39 ` Miles Bader @ 2002-05-13 18:22 ` Karl Eichwalder 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-13 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw) miles@gnu.org (Miles Bader) writes: > So in a general sense, it's still a better bet for someone to use > terribly broken english than some other language, and the message shown > has to emphasize that; I can't tell you numbers but my feeling is many a lot users will stay away from sending reports because of the language issue. You may say, there are already enough reports. > I'm a bit worried that anything less strong that the current message > would result in people thinking `well, _maybe_ someone understands > language Foo, and my english isn't very good, so...' Probably. Okay, I don't want to insist. > [Note that if someone's english _isn't_ understandable, then it's > often easy to see where they sent their message from, and for a speaker > of that country's language to ask for a clarification, if they happen > to be reading the list -- and if there is no such speaker reading, well, > the reporter isn't any worse off!] Why can't you say this instead of the current message? Whenever I've got to file a report I feel offended a little bit by the current wording (okay, it's better than it was on 20.x). Reading the message again just now I think it can stay as is; obviously it's me who must change his mind ;-) -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 7:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2002-05-13 12:39 ` Miles Bader @ 2002-05-13 17:00 ` Richard Stallman 2002-05-13 18:37 ` Karl Eichwalder 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2002-05-13 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel I changed it to this: Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. We can see how that goes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) 2002-05-13 17:00 ` Richard Stallman @ 2002-05-13 18:37 ` Karl Eichwalder 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-13 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > We can see how that goes. Thanks a lot; it sounds perfect. I'm also curious how it will go. I just wrote another message as an answer to Miles--please ignore it. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: spam in this newsgroup 2002-04-26 8:20 OT: spam in this newsgroup Ralf Fassel 2002-04-27 16:17 ` elf @ 2002-04-29 0:12 ` Karl Chen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Karl Chen @ 2002-04-29 0:12 UTC (permalink / raw) I can't read Korean either but the html renders in my newsreader and these are all very obviously spam (flashing pictures, links, etc.). -- Karl "Ralf Fassel" <ralfixx@gmx.de> wrote in message news:ygawuuux45c.fsf@jupiter.akutech-local.de... > I see _lots_ of posts in this group containing `unusual' charsets like > Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" > and since I'm not fluent in far-east, I wonder whether these are > people from Korea posting genuine emacs-related questions in their own > language or whether this is plain spam. I don't see that much of it > in other (even emacs-related) groups, how come g.e.b. is swamped by > this? Again, I don't mean to offend anybody, and if I'm just being > ignorant about the world opening up, please forgive me ;-) > > R' ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2002-05-13 18:37 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 12+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2002-04-26 8:20 OT: spam in this newsgroup Ralf Fassel 2002-04-27 16:17 ` elf 2002-05-08 10:47 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-05-10 14:45 ` elf 2002-05-12 22:54 ` Dan Jacobson 2002-05-13 4:37 ` Bug reports in English only? (Re: OT: spam in this newsgroup) Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 7:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2002-05-13 12:39 ` Miles Bader 2002-05-13 18:22 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-13 17:00 ` Richard Stallman 2002-05-13 18:37 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-04-29 0:12 ` spam in this newsgroup Karl Chen
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