From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:24:23 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037200734 18255 80.91.224.249 (13 Nov 2002 15:18:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BzCY-00047B-00 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:13:10 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18BzOU-00066k-02 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:25:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18BW6h-00061K-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:09:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18BVU8-0008P6-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:29:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18BVSX-0007LX-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:27:43 -0500 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de ([193.175.24.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18BVSW-00075k-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:27:40 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18BVSR-0005b0-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:27:35 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 7E94AA43EC; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:24:23 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:50:15 +0200 (IST)") Original-Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9313 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9313 Eli Zaretskii writes: > Where the menu item's text is self-explanatory, there usually is no > tooltip that pops up. In other words, tooltips for menu items should be > defined only where they are really needed. That's even worth ;) If you want to sell a product consistency is an important issue. The ideal goal should be: all or nothing. If tooltips appear only now and then, the user might think there is something broken. > You should be able to do a "C-h k", then click the menu item and get its > explanation. Sure, that's a good way for the advanced user (to be more precise: for the keyboard user). You are not going to convince the mouse user he wants to learn those key combos ;-) > Another C-h function jumps to the manual for a description of any key, > but the problem in using this with menu items is that menu items are > generally not described at all in the manual. So this is a > documentation problem rather than a functionality problem; Yes and no. For the moment it would be good enough if Emacs would jump to the documentation of the function; just print a message want you intend to do. > if someone writes an appendix for the manual with the description of > all the menu items, it would be instantly available for the purpose > you want it. Sounds useful. Maybe, I can spend some time on it next year. Is it okay to write it in German and to wait for someone to translate it? Or shall I try it in English and hope for corrections? -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)