From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.design,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:17:13 +0200 Sender: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org Message-ID: References: <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net> <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net> <874rd7wuos.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D74D797.7000707@cox.net> <87bs7etocv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ofberzeo.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031193333 19894 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2002 02:35:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([207.96.1.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mmUP-0005AA-00 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:35:25 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21444; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: (from turnbull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA21380 for xemacs-design-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:36:09 -0400 Original-Received: (from mail@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA21376 for turnbull@tux.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de (dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21364; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:36:05 -0400 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17mmUy-0002nC-00; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:36:00 +0200 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 7D627A4CB3; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" In-Reply-To: <87ofberzeo.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> ("Stephen J. Turnbull"'s message of "Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:23:43 +0900") Original-Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2.90 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-XEmacs-List: design Errors-To: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org X-BeenThere: xemacs-design@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of design and features for XEmacs. List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.design:1400 gmane.emacs.devel:7492 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7492 "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Miles> Why? SGML and XML are quite unreadable compared to > Miles> texinfo. This depends on the editor or viewer you are using. I'm told the new GNOME help system is designed to work with raw SGML (XML) files. > In a buzzword, Document Object Model. I don't read texinfo, I read > Info. And I don't want to write or edit texinfo, I want to move > hierarchical objects around (I'm mostly a manager, not a programmer; > ie, with docs, I edit and compile, not write). That's a good point. Often, Texinfo commands are terse and thus obscure (I always have to lookup how the reference commands are considered to work). Don't take me wrong---for some of my projects I prefer Texinfo, but in general I hesitate to recommend the format to other writers. Note, SGML offers features designed for readability: often it's possible to omit end "tags" or minimize "tags": foo == == "\n\n" == "|" or "\n" And thus it's possible to write terse (and obsure) tables; in general this feature is considerd harmful ;) [I still believe HTML 2 is readable...] -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)