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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Aurelio" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: emacs or xemacs? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:18:11 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <000001c258e5$a91b02f0$06001aac@A.MEDITERRANEO> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C258F6.6CA3D2F0" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031674809 28447 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 16:20:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17onkD-0007OJ-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:20:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17onkH-000492-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17onjN-0003xU-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:19:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17onjL-0003xG-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:19:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.34.140.25] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17onjK-0003wk-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from aurelio (217-125-118-74.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.125.118.74]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8AGoQX10671 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:50:27 +0200 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1237 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1237 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C258F6.6CA3D2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... Thanks!!!!=20 I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it=B4s time to change... And here=B4s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is xemacs more usefull???=20 Thanks =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C258F6.6CA3D2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mensaje

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C258F6.6CA3D2F0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:34:11 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031680029 15928 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 17:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17op6R-00048c-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:47:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17op6T-0006ez-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:47:09 -0400 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: ^BC$`[IcggstLPyen&dqF+b2'zyK#r.mU*'Nms}@&4zw%SJ#5!/7SMVjBS7'lb;QK)|IPU5U'o1'522W4TyzB3Ab*IBo^iw]l4|kUbdZuUDO6=Um-.4IzhNiV'B"@K#jy_(wW|Zbk[34flKY^|PrQ?$u2\fKg^]AY>wOX#H32i Original-Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2.90 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NYcbhtQTsIJjzuYhy9aGXbNn8UM= Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.162.239.98 Original-X-Trace: news.swissonline.ch 1031679101 217.162.239.98 (10 Sep 2002 19:31:41 +0200) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@swissonline.ch Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.swissonline.ch!not-for-mail Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104686 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1242 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1242 "Aurelio" writes: > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... > Thanks!!!! > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is > xemacs more usefull??? Nobody knows. They are both actively developped. You can try news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer. :) Alex. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 10 Sep 2002 20:57:08 +0200 Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031684764 1438 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 19:06:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17oqKp-0000N4-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:06:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oqKv-0007rO-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:06:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!isdnet!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: occarina.pna.cwi.nl Original-X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 1031684228 14713 192.16.184.200 (10 Sep 2002 18:57:08 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:57:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 In-Reply-To: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104694 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1250 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1250 Alex Schroeder writes: > "Aurelio" writes: > > > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... > > Thanks!!!! > > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to > > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the > > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is > > xemacs more usefull??? > > Nobody knows. They are both actively developped. You can try > news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer. :) Hey, no HTML! How did you manage to remove it in your reply? Lute. -- (spook) => "Yukon Panama lock picking" (insert-file-contents "~/.signature") => (error "`~/.signature' too rude") From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier " Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 10 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0400 Organization: Yale University Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5lofb5sm1u.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031685374 3596 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 19:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17oqUe-0000vi-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oqUk-0001O6-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:16:18 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.ycc.yale.edu!rum.cs.yale.edu!rum.cs.yale.edu Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 13 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: rum.cs.yale.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: rum.cs.yale.edu X-Original-Trace: 10 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0400, rum.cs.yale.edu Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104696 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1252 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1252 >> Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... >> Thanks!!!! >> I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now itÂ´s time to >> change... And hereÂ´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the >> difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is >> xemacs more usefull??? > Nobody knows. They are both actively developped. You can try > news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer. :) C'mon Alex! Everybody knows that Emacs rules! Stefan From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Henrik Enberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:04:28 +0200 Organization: Le Petomane Appreciation Society Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87vg5dehmb.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031688967 15398 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 20:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17orQb-00040D-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:16:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17orQf-000613-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:16:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!h228n2fls32o1112.telia.COM!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: h228n2fls32o1112.telia.com (213.65.65.228) Original-X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031688279 62242107 213.65.65.228 (16 [125297]) User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:26Utz5N8kDkCuyyHTTNfOqSZMaA= Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104699 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1255 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1255 Lute Kamstra writes: > Alex Schroeder writes: > >> "Aurelio" writes: >> >> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to >> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the >> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is >> > xemacs more usefull??? >> >> Nobody knows. They are both actively developped. You can try >> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer. :) > > Hey, no HTML! How did you manage to remove it in your reply? The OP sent a multipart message with both html and plain text. In Gnus you could set `mm-discouraged-alternatives' to get rid of crappy html. -- Booting... /vmemacs.el From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 10 Sep 2002 22:40:47 +0200 Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87vg5dehmb.fsf@enberg.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031691376 23474 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 20:56:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17os3S-00066M-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:56:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17os3V-0007rZ-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:56:17 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 14 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: occarina.pna.cwi.nl Original-X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 1031690447 18010 192.16.184.200 (10 Sep 2002 20:40:47 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 In-Reply-To: <87vg5dehmb.fsf@enberg.org> Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104700 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1256 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1256 Henrik Enberg writes: [...] > The OP sent a multipart message with both html and plain text. In Gnus > you could set `mm-discouraged-alternatives' to get rid of crappy html. Ah yes, that works. I learned my new thing for today. Thanks. Lute. -- (spook) => "USCODE colonel ASO" (insert-file-contents "~/.signature") => (error "`~/.signature' too rude") From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: No HTML mails in Gnus (was: emacs or xemacs?) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:48:08 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87bs75vaev.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031691386 23546 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 20:56:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17os3c-00067L-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:56:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17os3j-0007xX-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:56:31 -0400 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: ^BC$`[IcggstLPyen&dqF+b2'zyK#r.mU*'Nms}@&4zw%SJ#5!/7SMVjBS7'lb;QK)|IPU5U'o1'522W4TyzB3Ab*IBo^iw]l4|kUbdZuUDO6=Um-.4IzhNiV'B"@K#jy_(wW|Zbk[34flKY^|PrQ?$u2\fKg^]AY>wOX#H32i Original-Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2.90 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jdv5Szz4Cp5j22f+MJjw1xSWTck= Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.162.239.98 Original-X-Trace: news.swissonline.ch 1031690739 217.162.239.98 (10 Sep 2002 22:45:39 +0200) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@swissonline.ch Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.swissonline.ch!not-for-mail Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104701 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1257 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1257 Lute Kamstra writes: > Alex Schroeder writes: > >> "Aurelio" writes: >> >> > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... >> > Thanks!!!! >> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to >> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the >> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is >> > xemacs more usefull??? >> >> Nobody knows. They are both actively developped. You can try >> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer. :) > > Hey, no HTML! How did you manage to remove it in your reply? Hm? Maybe you want to read a bit about Gnus -- especially since you already use it! http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MimeTypesWithGnus Alex. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: No HTML mails in Gnus (was: emacs or xemacs?) Date: 10 Sep 2002 23:06:16 +0200 Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87ofb5iwa4.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87bs75vaev.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031692572 27474 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2002 21:16:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17osMi-00078n-00 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:16:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17osMl-00061v-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:16:11 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 25 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: occarina.pna.cwi.nl Original-X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 1031691976 19115 192.16.184.200 (10 Sep 2002 21:06:16 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:06:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 In-Reply-To: <87bs75vaev.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104705 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1261 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1261 Alex Schroeder writes: [...] > Hm? Maybe you want to read a bit about Gnus -- especially since you > already use it! That's one of my tricksies. I let Outlook insert funny User-Agent headers. > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MimeTypesWithGnus Well, actually I read the Gnus manual once. It's just that only the things I was interested in at the time really registered. After that, I just started to learn new things as I encountered them or when I felt that I needed them. It's a very lazy attitude, I know, but laziness is supposed to make you do smart things, right? Anyway, thanks for the pointer (and for maintaining the Wiki). Lute. -- (spook) => "Vickie Weaver Janet Reno broadside" (insert-file-contents "~/.signature") => (error "`~/.signature' too rude") From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:51:02 GMT Organization: n/a Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031731570 13054 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 08:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p2Vl-0003OQ-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:06:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2Vl-0004Cx-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:06:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-text.cableinet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 17 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.18.147 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk Original-X-Trace: news-text.cableinet.net 1031730662 62.31.18.147 (Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:51:02 BST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:51:02 BST Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104723 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1279 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1279 On Tuesday 10 September 2002 17:18, Aurelio wrote: > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... > Thanks!!!! > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is > xemacs more usefull??? > Thanks If you have to use a Windoze system, XEmacs is easier to install. But if you're using Cygwin it's not difficult to install GNU Emacs. On a proper OS, they're both about the same to install. (Most Linux distros come with both now.) But GNU Emacs is the One True Emacs! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Aurelio" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: emacs or xemacs? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:21:39 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <000001c2596c$47502550$06001aac@A.MEDITERRANEO> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031732588 15473 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 08:23:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p2m9-00041A-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:23:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2mF-0000Jc-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p2ls-00007W-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p2lq-000074-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.34.140.25] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2lq-00006q-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from aurelio (217-125-118-74.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.125.118.74]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B8rlX19585; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:53:58 +0200 Original-To: "'Adam'" , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1280 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1280 Well, I am running Debian 3.0 testing... So, I have no problems to find the packages... Ok!!! I will try Gnu emacs21... Thanks!!!! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Aurelio" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: emacs or xemacs? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:21:52 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <000101c2596c$48e51d30$06001aac@A.MEDITERRANEO> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031732597 15502 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 08:23:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p2mK-00041t-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:23:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2mR-0000WU-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:23:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p2lt-00007d-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p2lr-00007D-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.34.140.25] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2lq-00006t-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from aurelio (217-125-118-74.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.125.118.74]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B8s0X19596; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:54:01 +0200 Original-To: "'Adam'" , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1281 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1281 Well, I am running Debian 3.0 testing... So, I have no problems to find the packages... Ok!!! I will try Gnu emacs21... Thanks!!!! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Klaus Berndl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Organization: UTA/netway (Customer) Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031733969 19357 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 08:46:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p38P-00051g-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:46:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p38T-0004To-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:46:09 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!elvis.franken.de!chico.franken.de!news.franken.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed.completel.de!news.netway.at!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.96.24.28 Original-X-Trace: newsreader1.netway.at 1031733437 27993 195.96.24.28 (11 Sep 2002 08:37:17 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@netway.at Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 08:37:17 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/7.5.3) Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104727 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1283 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1283 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, a24061@void.yahoo.void.com wrote: > On Tuesday 10 September 2002 17:18, Aurelio wrote: > > > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing... > > Thanks!!!! > > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to > > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the > > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is > > xemacs more usefull??? > > Thanks > > If you have to use a Windoze system, XEmacs is easier to install. But if > you're using Cygwin it's not difficult to install GNU Emacs. On a proper > OS, they're both about the same to install. (Most Linux distros come with > both now.) AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs must still be installed by downloading one big archive (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries), extracing it, reading the READMe and so on... Though i prefer GNU Emacs as editor IMHO the installation of XEmacs is much more convenient than GNU Emacs (ok, i must admit, downloading the archive, extracting it and some small steps more are not really difficult but nevertheless.... :-) Of course all this is only related to Windows systems! Ciao, Klaus > > But GNU Emacs is the One True Emacs! -- Klaus Berndl mailto: klaus.berndl@sdm.de sd&m AG http://www.sdm.de software design & management Thomas-Dehler-Str. 27, 81737 München, Germany Tel +49 89 63812-392, Fax -220 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:35:59 +0800 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87n0qohkz4.fsf@sachac.linuxboxen.org> References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031740932 4862 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 10:42:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p4wj-0001G5-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:42:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p4wo-0002eD-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:42:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p4w2-0002Vi-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:41:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17p4vz-0002VB-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:41:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pusit.admu.edu.ph ([202.138.180.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p4vy-0002UU-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:41:23 -0400 Original-Received: from pusit.admu.edu.ph (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BFE1B51C for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from cersa.admu.edu.ph (cersa.admu.edu.ph [10.2.53.1]) by pusit.admu.edu.ph (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3111B511 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:41:19 +0800 (PHT) Original-Received: from sachac.linuxboxen.org (unknown [192.168.0.7]) by cersa.admu.edu.ph (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CFE1C11D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:43:06 +0800 (PHT) Original-Received: from sacha by sachac.linuxboxen.org with local (masqmail 0.2.11) id 17p4ql-5GR-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:35:59 +0800 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Klaus Berndl's message of "11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200") Original-Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1290 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1290 Klaus Berndl writes: > AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer ported from Cygwin > to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs must still be installed by > downloading one big archive (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled > binaries), extracing it, reading the READMe and so on... apt-get install emacs21 .. and then apt-get install any of the Emacs packages I want, or download the .els or source archives and play with them myself. I love Debian. =) I understand that the binary distribution of Emacs is also easy to install if you're using RPMs. -- Sacha Chua - 4 BS CS Ateneo geekette interests: emacs, gnu/linux, wearables, teaching compsci From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rodney Sparapani Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:36:31 -0500 Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <3D7FB75F.3080404@mcw.edu> References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031781375 14302 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2002 21:56:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pFT2-0003iK-00 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:56:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pFT0-0004A5-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:56:10 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!wiscnews.wiscnet.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 10 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: markov.biostat.mcw.edu Original-X-Trace: wiscnews.wiscnet.net 1031780191 8492 141.106.120.18 (11 Sep 2002 21:36:31 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@wiscnews.wiscnet.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 21:36:31 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020518 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104771 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1326 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1326 As far as installation goes, I'd definitely say that XEmacs is easier. Especially, for packages and when you run into problems. But, I use both now. -- Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jochen =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FCpper?=" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 11 Sep 2002 18:25:32 -0400 Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031819765 28372 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2002 08:36:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pPSE-0007NN-00 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:36:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pPSN-0004Jr-00; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:36:11 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.netway.at!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 25 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.96.24.28 Original-X-Trace: newsreader1.netway.at 1031819384 1433 195.96.24.28 (12 Sep 2002 08:29:44 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@netway.at Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2002 08:29:44 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/7.5.3) Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104796 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1351 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1351 On 11 Sep 2002, Jochen Küpper wrote: > On 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote: > > Klaus> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer > Klaus> ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs > Klaus> must still be installed by downloading one big archive > Klaus> (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries), > Klaus> extracing it, reading the READMe and so on... > > Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays... Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin... Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin setup)? Ciao,klaus -- Klaus Berndl mailto: klaus.berndl@sdm.de sd&m AG http://www.sdm.de software design & management Thomas-Dehler-Str. 27, 81737 München, Germany Tel +49 89 63812-392, Fax -220 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zhongtao Zhu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 12 Sep 2002 17:14:38 +0800 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031821985 2119 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2002 09:13:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Klaus Berndl Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pQ23-0000Xv-00 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:13:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pQ2B-0002uB-00; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:13:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17pQ1r-0002tK-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:12:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17pQ1o-0002sr-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:12:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tsinghua.edu.cn ([166.111.8.18]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pQ1n-0002sj-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: (eyou send program); Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:09:26 +0800 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO zhongtao.tsinghua.edu.cn) (unknown@166.111.233.1) by 166.111.8.18 with SMTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:09:26 +0800 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1355 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1355 Klaus Berndl writes: > On 11 Sep 2002, Jochen K=FCpper wrote: >=20 > > On 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote: > >=20=20 > > Klaus> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer > > Klaus> ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs > > Klaus> must still be installed by downloading one big archive > > Klaus> (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries), > > Klaus> extracing it, reading the READMe and so on... > >=20=20 > > Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays= ... >=20 > Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin.= .. > Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.= X to > cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cy= gwin > setup)? >=20 > Ciao,klaus I did find a cygwin release, in a local mirror ftp site, which contains Emacs-21.2-7 of both its source and pre-complied binaries. The cygwin as a whole can be net-installed by a setup.exe, though the default options are set to exclude the Emacs. You may check it by visiting the wet site of RedHat. --=20 Zhongtao Zhu Tel: +86 10 6278 2266 Department of Computer, Tsinghua University, Beijing, China From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jochen =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FCpper?=" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 12 Sep 2002 10:23:34 -0400 Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031846767 16926 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2002 16:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pWTm-0004Oq-00 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:06:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pWTv-0003SM-00; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:06:15 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 13 Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104838 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1393 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1393 > > Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin... > Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to > cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin > setup)? > I built emacs21 on an NT a few months ago---using cygwin tools.. it had pretty good instructions on how to go about it. Also, the cygwin install itself probably has an "install emacs" option--but now sure about that.. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: maierh@myself.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:33:03 +0200 Organization: T-Online Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References:

Reply-To: Harald Maier NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031859995 30652 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2002 19:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pZv6-0007xy-00 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pZun-0008Fy-00; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:46:13 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1031859184 02 9015 jbMtb36TSvA5HB 020912 19:33:04 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 320041125923-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2.90 (i386-mingw-nt5.0.2195) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VAq5LXsj+pw/0hKA3yVmqc8xqRc= Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104847 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1403 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1403 "Jochen Küpper" writes: > Klaus> Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs > Klaus> to Cygwin... Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an > Klaus> official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to cygwin (downloadable > Klaus> binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin > Klaus> setup)? > > Well, what's "offocial"? :)) Emacs is in the standard cygwin package > hirarchy nowadays (but yes, only recently added). > > It needs some patching and apparently the company who's employee fixed > it for cygwin is somewhat slow to sign the copyright assignments to > FSF... (Which is not so strange if it's their first time:) Wow. Just tried it: In GNU Emacs 21.2 (i686-pc-cygwin, X toolkit) of 2002-09-12 on hestia configured using `configure \ --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sysconfdir=/etc \ --libexecdir=/usr/sbin --localstatedir=/var \ --datadir=/usr/share --without-toolkit-scroll-bars' ... Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: C locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t GNU Emacs 21.2 (i686-pc-cygwin, X toolkit) of 2002-09-12 on hestia It works really out of the box. Anyway this is not a NTEmacs. This is a cygwin emacs that is compiled with the cygwin library. NTEmacs is compiled with the -mno-cygwin flag. The cygwin emacs is a pure X11 emacs. Anyway it might be useful for debugging NTEmacs with gdb. (Do you remember the long discussion between Eli and Stefan for some months.) Harald From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "A. L. Meyers" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs or xemacs? Date: 14 Sep 2002 10:33:32 +0200 Organization: Meyers Consulting http://www.consult-meyers.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87wuppezs3.fsf@nomad.consult-meyers.com> References: Reply-To: A. Lucien Meyers NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031993181 1714 127.0.0.1 (14 Sep 2002 08:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17q8ZI-0000RW-00 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:46:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17q8ZT-0001Lo-00; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 04:46:31 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.sunrise.ch!news.sunrise.ch!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Accept-Language: de en fr it User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-Lines: 15 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.230.156.208 Original-X-Trace: 1031992146 news.sunrise.ch 711 194.230.156.208 Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:104906 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:1461 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:1461 Although it may not be perfect, the xemacs package system works reasonably well and is certainly better than no package system at all, alas still the case with emacs AFAIK. My personal hope is that the developers of both emacsen with soon get over the unicode hump and with unicode as the base get all the other encodings to work transparently in the background. A stupid, lazy end user's dream. :-) Lucien -- If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP Key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": Ortega cracking anthrax North Korea World Trade Center colonel NORAD FBI From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "JS" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Emacs or XEmacs? 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Will they both run on WinXP and is one better for something that the other? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs or XEmacs? Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:28:58 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? 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Will they both run > on WinXP and is one better for something that the other? Pretty much every one agrees one about the difference being that one looks excessively ugly, is something that the world does not need, has developers hard to get along with who have an irresponsible release policy and fail to get to grips with reality. Unfortunately there is no agreement about which of the two editors is that (some would even claim the same for both). So you probably need to find out yourself. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Johnson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs or XEmacs? 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Will they both run on > WinXP and is one better for something that the other? I like them both, and in a (my) perfect world, the best of both would be in one. Although my main platform is linux, I've used both on XP. Xemacs was slightly easier to install because of the Wise kit, but emacs was no big deal, if I recall correctly. MTCW tim -- Tim Johnson http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "It's me FKtPp ;)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs or XEmacs? Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:23:05 +0800 Organization: Bentium Ltd. 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Will they both run on > WinXP and is one better for something that the other? CVS version of GNU Emacs offer better multilingual support -- To reply, remove string `ccol' from the email address. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs or XEmacs? 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Will they both run on WinXP and is one better for something that the other? You might find some help here: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsAndXEmacs. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs or XEmacs? 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