From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tuomo Takkula Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: usability issue Date: 06 Jan 2003 22:59:43 +0100 Organization: Chalmers University of Technology Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1041986756 31172 80.91.224.249 (8 Jan 2003 00:45:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18W4Lx-00086V-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:45:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18VyM5-0006De-08 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:21:37 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.chalmers.se!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: quirm.cs.chalmers.se Original-X-Trace: nyheter.chalmers.se 1041890385 5170 129.16.225.31 (6 Jan 2003 21:59:45 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@chalmers.se Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2003 21:59:45 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:108696 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:5240 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:5240 Hi. The department I am working on just switched emacs from 20.xx?? to 21.2.1, with the new cool look. However, the keystrokes and changed their meaning as well, from 'go-to-beginning/end-of document' to 'goto-begin/end-of line', respectively. So, I thought, lets make an usability test and try to change that back. So I look under options, find nothing useful, then I try under 'Cutomize Emacs' and find the good old mess that I remembered hating so much: gazillions of customization groups which have all have in common that they do not offer the option they promise to offer, with more than 50% of them having names which I cannot associate any meaning to (and I am a fairly seasoned emacs user). And of course, no customization group called 'keystrokes' or such. So, two questions: - is there any chance that customization becomes more user friendly? A good start wood be to avoid for instance names like 'Wp' for customization groups. What the heck is 'Wp'? - _is_ there a way to get to the old behaviour of and via custimization groups, and if so, where? Cheers Tuomo -- ___ "Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on." George Dau