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Hi Björn,


Thank you for your interest in the topic.



> I don't want change any term either but Moakt's explanation is very
> valid. Just shrugging and call of an argument is not good I think.
> 
> Language, terminologies evolve and change over time so do interfaces.
> I think it's inevitable that even Emacs has to go with the time
> in some shape or form. Requiring or expecting users to learn 48 old
> language with outdated legacy term is very off putting.



You might be right.  But changing the terminology of a software that existed for such a long time, can be a tedious task.  There are also many documentations, blogs, books, videos, etc, that would get obsolete.

The question that can come up, is it worth to be done ? Or in other words, what this would “really” bring “vs” the things that it would break ?

Wouldn’t it be better to put all these efforts in other places, which can make emacs easier to start with, like the new customization interface for example, which might be a bigger obstacle, and might have a bigger impact on new users ?

These terms might not finally be the real obstacle for new users to chose emacs, if they are well presented and explained.  I thought about it for a while, and proposed a “Get started” introduction to emacs (to be accessed from the very startup buffer).

It will introduce users to some of these terms that are really needed to start using emacs. And the new interface can take care of the remaining terms.

I would be glad if you can take some time and read it, and let me know what do you think.  It is the HTML at the end of the following message: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-10/msg00245.html.



Thank you again