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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID bac719002ce99ebe85c8a61bca471d48; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:12:47 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (uzibalqa@proton.me's message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:35:56 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21647 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144372 Archived-At: uzibalqa writes: > The claim I get that everything is properly done is a serious fallacy. > There should be a version of emacs where do not continually add to it, > but only to get to a point where things are well designed and capable > of being handle well by other programmers. Eli is getting in a > difficult position, because the next poor sod is going to suffer much > more or give up keep the whole thing together. >From your perspective, everyone apart from yourself is an ``Emacs developer'', engaged in a wayward conspiracy to prevent users from understanding Emacs documentation. You, a crusader fighting for the rights of the oppressed masses of Emacs users, are being silenced by companies of the King's men. The situation you illustrate couldn't be further from the truth. Perhaps you should contemplate why everyone on this list -- aside from you and your other identities, of course -- finds your demands unreasonable, and is satisfied with our current practices for writing documentation.