From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:54:10 -1000 Organization: Avi Gobbler Publishing Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536886370 13472 195.159.176.226 (14 Sep 2018 00:52:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:52:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 02:52:46 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0cLl-0003Q7-CC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 02:52:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0cNr-0000ED-MC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48026) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0cNJ-0000Dr-Dk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:54:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0cNG-0005DR-4n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-x532.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::532]:40011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0cNA-0005Ac-K1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:54:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x532.google.com with SMTP id l63-v6so3534164pga.7 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:54:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:organization:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=Vq0adPMwuV14xnfMt68r9YtcQYXUjOGxKSHaFGw9qsM=; b=X33cnEVC0tDAmiYSyGmyReRnTp2LE3beke7X/famOYbv49+uBpCZLDIdpSV+SpBesa oVo1hdp2k3lJgbpR5LncPO1kbR9jKqzc9DpwZF4FsqNiesbqRl33iXUdjY6/KgNou8dh kj8QOTHlfaAT5grvnau63kh5Z+eKqlttMPO066ew0k4AD2yGipdATOOzQA0QbycTzKpe uxKy/4LQnbt3unhkKUBJkpJF4lHv1APr95Eyn9RZ9n0OiBO/l1fRY41bPYWCm4+1QIwh CTSyX1qcCMsm3ANS7EIhtpCFUqLzcjz0RylukqXH4dmW8XIDTq03Pi9uvS5XCxqSBaun iWAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:organization:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=Vq0adPMwuV14xnfMt68r9YtcQYXUjOGxKSHaFGw9qsM=; b=KotQqT7k2c6/xTDsWbLFVyXy8PnRnRVqJCuJfjqAX73hIkLAScEArfZrJqaauqXPTd mbEQSYBcZVzd/LHsNODuBwfrCtzKNFqoUEY3P/f5YMnuhIlsfffgR4HRghdOJojcfPmR tllvnq0y9Mepk+MqbNL7n0wdhdFKqFm9Yl3pErFsTtyuUFFkDIt2ch9c+KQ5iqk0SOZN AOmw+gF2HyvsJMPIjeX5VtNNko1WzGhYy7xbscLToqsttEZzcnAyOP0Tgca+IXXnm3Mg H93/B/D60FzzNXh95xS38aSJ50r7080aMRQb8MJDmgU8WVxn3T4axE4E+eP/gEJ+aa+T /+Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BywNUXy0yKnKKSONwTGP3JLh2BJoojvovXWy4pmWWD+bDpNlg6 N3JxONHPMDpL5t+YJ/n7EDfWm0yqzLk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdY6G/DLbuH68sUkcRqrCrRxUgghh50/GFIFV5Tzysiy4W3rPnxBoBhd8fGjzuUqWo18fQbOtw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:455d:: with SMTP id u29-v6mr9133916pgk.342.1536886450514; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([72.253.70.70]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5-v6sm5506376pfh.83.2018.09.13.17.54.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:54:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu\, 13 Sep 2018 18\:03\:22 +0200 \(8 hours\, 33 minutes\, 16 seconds ago\)" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::532 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117894 Archived-At: 1) Emacs mail clients Long ago, I used rmail and it was okay for my purposes. That was long before the days of Gmail, and when POP3 was considered pretty advanced stuff. Rmail was rudimentary but still allowed me to do stuff while remaining in Emacs. Eventually I moved to VM ("view mail"). That was pretty good; it did more things than rmail but it wasn't overly complex to configure. But IMAP was now fast becoming the 'thing' especially where I worked. Gmail was now big, too. It wasn't that everything wouldn't have worked with VM, or for that matter, even Rmail. But there would have been a bunch of external stuff to set up and run. So I went to Gnus. There is nothing you can't do with Gnus if you have the patience. Admittedly it took days rather than hours to get everything working, and of course I've been modifying and tweaking for years, to the point at which it's now indispensible even if it's somewhat (but not objectionably) slower than a native web interface such as Gmail. I've not tried mu4e, wanderlust, etc. and I don't say that gnus is for everyone. You have to like to tinker and you need patience and persistence in the early days (maybe weeks). But the point is that there are a variety of Emacs mail clients to meet a variety of needs. 2) Everything in one file "Everything in one file" is (for me at least) a good approach for certain things. I write novels and publish books with Emacs (nearly a dozen so far) and doing that with org-mode and having everything in one file is a huge advantage, even if the file grows to a half dozen megabytes (with research materials incorporated). It's relatively portable, diffable, and a simple version control system is more than adequate. But for email? Would I want my 5+ gigabytes of historical email in one file? Of course that's a bit ridiculous, but the point stands. And yes, rmail can sort your stuff into various mail files, some of which will themselves become very large unless you further sort them down. So I just don't see rmail as a vehicle for long-term high-volume email needs. With Gnus, I just leave mail on the IMAP server(s) and avoid all the problems, including having email synced among the seven devices that I use. And yes, that means I can't read email while on an airplane, which I actually consider an advantage in some ways. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i * Via Gnus/BBDB/Org/Emacs/Linux *