From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/windows-98 18e7a9f3d0c: Restore functionality on Windows 98 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 22:46:43 +0800 Message-ID: References: <171913140920.20405.14047614098587343624@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20240623083013.0C544C1FB5B@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87h6dj24c7.fsf@yahoo.com> <877cef21sw.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3975"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 16:47:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sLkyS-0000u1-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:47:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLkxs-0006Js-Da; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:46:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLkxp-0006JM-ID for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:46:37 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.146]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLkxn-0008Ub-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:46:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1719240391; bh=wDw6oztsD4hVpnbr5EQQss5HkyUSgnPKMBoJYGrADVw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=YBtjJvsfptqZ7VPlWbFvLDgJ3mwGBrtGc+PxoY0LGe4o2E/TP/Tay+GBSsjHzneU6r+djYpxv8kh3wUV9iryjK3z1cd0IM7qLanvINJVlqpBBau5vIX8d+f1iwvEK7ed9gss2koEebOg+3gjOm/l+UZW+BOy3BTL5E6UQzPNanq0Ai8f16fY2S2CfWwVjSjoiGCpj4Ex85C1BoJcf2Njmh1Tb54ArQ9kX8mzRPALDq7GoJGBY9cLV+J9W4rJIcX64DJK42di9K01tAwCE2yTNxDxZq89/Pw718XGOjbPP5/zAfG6xLJwee2vew/P8h94tLHNXjyDNYsgugBNHKEoRw== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1719240391; bh=A7yHlvQq58DfKhtXc2Z7LoMB9G/XSuRxa+E0SfLE5VN=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=B9YP2WW0GMubfhAnDNdxSOwgCL4XIBe8B4Cx83OG5rY3Yti2t7Z8KY025brFGM/1FPW39hoQL5tklalMBdR+yEtmfHy4lb3UNGQ9k0imvZW9KWCej8mRA8YoeTTzGT5Stzt9z/tO31pV3L0FKzVS8iERVdo5e0Rzt3BaXhZrsdCu+QV9UEoyA6cDrLZML2NWDGAY/Pc+OCcbFMaQIyp+e75n0WazIrqYtXsAc7cgkmsS23wrmqLvCV+SGiPMrLyPyvcdAYMatSiKWEPPFx2bTQClcnxO9ISsqJnpWnLnGydU6vmRQr6hqy3Y2CYrmWDUlR7O58W1RATHpTRyCU8gdg== X-YMail-OSG: WJLUADUVM1mtbbo5eUfKS0kX5jJHiqGRz5CaM.2EFjecspScdjNQNfiEhxvuJ13 C14GCOmAf3canP0LDEtL3Wp5u5U7JaTmRXW2UGcSERlCcETMbhbKi4mzomz4ptF79N_JVK8L4uxy lYIbuJokBctGDsEsfgVd7vU1Y2He9FJFtmapxyPGG3z1eb.SDpnaYqd2cLsVLycNiux2r0P54um3 cKO.ss_QlAKANFEPMAVPKImffWlH4CPhu8Or0aU.sx2LKWSduhyUPvZfCprTbfueCjzrWdggcKgu OMrzPwBxmeD1MEs3poUqh4LvDdUweZ1KtomMKlzD8L52881JJidmi7FNevJZMAPGCWb4W6bBUca5 98ZQcQtkiyjlzMCA9ZC3LLD1XvbJ74nPUA5e65.qO9j1uqCnW0iYycgWFsrwbu765lTt4Dq9uKhK mbrQ4wv.Ww0ochZ60oLU704B_d1T7DbePs.j3CdNl5AAJfZp1xOOc8L1fbc6yQgckz1AuJuW8CVt 0LFNL0N8SVjK.Hg.X8hCog6KJB4ILU0T8dxCyRvBKfnOEQZdawPuSzpYzBYIK7_KEfkLEFe6b5pg _ndohoJUNAmR57hSWzwbPB6THG6L9tcwvAa177TpP4aHAZ8pIhDkgeIwPdEFOh478sZGsuXzKEPu e9xwZcdZItMCQhz0fAzKF9U811wJ7FBdix3u3M3ySvdLOU_Ol09yg0eNQIilOHeiN_8mJqtvWTb0 xsg.1t9mYqAbG.J3EtP7Y9IAcJl2q06az0u_9cu.XIyvHv9oqOXGqr1jJhmfmHtQb5JiIe6dTJBH ZOjvIqKIsVjaD2ZV8tb6k6Q02wtFmV4B2OOZLDpuYC X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 2b5b9174-eaad-444f-bce7-4f37e535b7df Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 14:46:31 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-7b469d9f6-2fcg5 (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 39e6e447edacf24e3b9bf44986214d85; Mon, 24 Jun 2024 14:46:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 24 Jun 2024 08:57:59 +0800") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22407 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320604 Archived-At: Reposting to the list, as I selected "Reply" rather than "Follow-up" by accident. Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I understand that you feel strongly about this and enjoy working on >> it, but if it's true that it's easy to maintain inside of Emacs, >> then >> it should also be easy to maintain a FreeDOS/MS-DOS version of Emacs >> externally, if it comes to that. > > Any external version (I read this as a euphemism for "fork") of Emacs > will be denied the advantage of the existing infrastructure and > recognition Emacs enjoys, and not only will this pall the special > appeal of the port and impede its distribution, but also alienate the > persons concerned with it, so that it is impossible to interpet a > demand to separate its development from Emacs but as a deliberate > expression of hostiliy to these developers. If only for this reason, > maintaining the DJGPP port externally is simply a non-starter. > > Not that I didn't state the practical aspects of this when the future > of the Android port was in question.