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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 287c6375481f9bb200e4a2061855eb47; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 01:00:14 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87cynw7omw.fsf@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:07:03 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22464 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321074 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > I still think we need to find a better binding for C-o, FWIW. > I recognize I'm in the minority on this position though, but still, I > think I've used C-o maybe once or twice ever. > > What do you use it for? What do you expect? Opening a new line? Every Emacs-like editor of the past several decades have bound such a command to C-o, and proposing to change it now is plainly absurd. Even GNOME does, if "Emacs shortcuts" are enabled, to the best of my knowledge. > I love how https://xkcd.com/1172/ is about us. It means we're doing our job.