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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,
	 Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
	 Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>,  Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org>,
	 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding AUCTeX to core  Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 23:49:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5434pnjuyn.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvikyjpiif.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 08 Jun 2024 11:25:30 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> I really do want to see Emacs growing its build setup so it can bundle
> ELPA packages like AUCTeX.  But that should not require any change on
> the part of AUCTeX.  The benefit being that end users will get AUCTeX
> support without having to download and install the package.

This comes at the disadvantage of inconveniencing Emacs users who buikd
Emacs from the git repository, unless AUCTeX take pains to coordinate
with us, by, for instance, designating versions that are "safe" for
inclusion in Emacs, and responding to reports of build failures and the
like, which nullifies the stated advantage to them.

> In comparison migrating AUCTeX into Emacs would require significant
> extra work on the part of AUCTeX with no extra benefit for the end
> users.

This extra work is invested once, satisfies everyone once completed, and
preserves a functioning status quo.  AFAIU its developers are also ready
to do so.  Meanwhile bundling ELPA packages in core remains a castle in
the air, and its advantages and deficiencies are not nearly so absolute
or well-understood as it is implied.  So please don't deal in absolutes.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-08 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28  8:48 Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release? Jeremy Bryant
2024-05-28 23:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-28 23:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-29  5:59   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 11:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 15:27     ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-29 15:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 16:06       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 19:33         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-30 19:25           ` Adding AUCTeX to core " Jeremy Bryant
2024-05-30 19:33             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-31 18:58               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-07 22:00                 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  6:56                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08  9:40                   ` Arash Esbati
2024-06-08 15:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 15:49                     ` Po Lu [this message]
2024-06-09  3:54                       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-09 19:39                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-29 22:16         ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-29 22:19           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-30  6:25           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-30  6:33             ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-05-30  7:28               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-30  8:15                 ` Daniel Mendler via Emacs development discussions.
2024-05-30 15:20                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 20:35       ` Tassilo Horn
2024-05-29 22:04         ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-30  5:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 10:52             ` Arash Esbati
2024-05-30  5:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30  7:55         ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 11:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 11:53             ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 12:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 12:58                 ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 14:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 14:26                     ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 13:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 14:05             ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 15:02               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30  8:00         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-29 20:44     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-30  5:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 21:48         ` Moving core packages to ELPA [Was: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?] Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  6:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08  8:10             ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-08  8:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08 15:55                 ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-08 16:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08 16:59                     ` Michael Albinus
2024-06-07 21:55       ` Candidate packages for ELPA bundling " Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-08  1:44         ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  2:11           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-08  2:46             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  6:41               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08  6:54                 ` Po Lu
2024-06-08  7:47                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08 15:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 16:24                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-08 15:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08  6:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-08  6:48             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08 15:18           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08 15:37             ` Po Lu
2024-06-08 15:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-09  0:06                 ` Po Lu
2024-06-09  3:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-08  6:55         ` Philip Kaludercic

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