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[141.239.244.209]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm7168286pfk.4.2021.01.25.09.37.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 Jan 2021 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <838s8h2bm7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 25 Jan 2021 19:02:40 +0200") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031; envelope-from=bobnewell@bobnewell.net; helo=mail-pj1-x1031.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127356 Archived-At: >> IMO it's too bad that many people have come to get >> the idea that using menus is for sissies. Using menus is for anyone who wishes and/or likes to do so, and as mentioned elsewhere, they do have the great advantage of allowing for learning by discovery (this is especially true if you use Gnus). I don't use them myself, not because of a fear of being labeled, and certainly not because I already know everything (I prove daily that I'm forever learning). I don't use menus because for me they get in the way by taking up screen space, being distracting, and generally requiring reaching for the mouse. But my use case is not necessarily anyone else's. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB