From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Amy Grinn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Objed maintenance Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:32:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <85ttjyp9xh.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyqhvp3k.fsf@posteo.net> <87v843qfvf.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3698"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: clemera@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 27 13:33:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gJK-0000lF-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:33:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gIe-0006p9-NN; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gIZ-0006ov-PA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gIY-0005Av-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-x22e.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3c861a87d6dso132093b6e.0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 04:32:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1714217571; x=1714822371; darn=gnu.org; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=m110GkRT/4qYYIMOnHOE/bgS95MeneNcHPD6NXU0s/0=; b=E0YG/Bi8K8Vlhx3UvL7yAPCrhxv3y9oCVHx5sA1+jIVB5bD177qvS84VkQrIVGx8PC pLSjAZ3BknsfmV73WNFmLh0hA1Qz1B/f8ZOMemQpWug+HlymJqRNRCuEL28Ox6tdV4kx 43DNMH9PEl1tk8R/LDW+/c6NSCoC4mgPbD6JbhjN8+pqZwKhVTkbDg0Z+o6fPj2CXAra eMKt/JISwcuwK+uhn6TprMuMk+y31hySYcm3N/vPKXLOUbT3yWmAOpn+zpEh2PGWH0Qg STjwOn0kkjNBIMsJQeUo8aB6/SZZnC+h4LkriVa0fYD5PmX9pBoIEW/E2OFOIZ31yfIb UIpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1714217571; x=1714822371; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=m110GkRT/4qYYIMOnHOE/bgS95MeneNcHPD6NXU0s/0=; b=OC5UIO0493nSlHSEjSTHdVMn2yEMImzJKLiH31Y1Wje3qtTp0N1AspOT1wVkur9w3x GwJYWl/7dh00PXwPnJRzeGgRlQz2QiviIdvWjf0X9eVaHLNuQtloVxdJBNb0w+FsE4xy 9vie8IN/959bgCujpMN48vpOpxIGqCc7xaMRAugywt1/Q7quZ4Q/7CRMpVCknJgIVSJf J0dYA5kgfVQNCr+scYUFiM/BenCW320bbzr3rGxXES06EhesDBtPsiAqOOO7CdEBZG2G M08HckAM0XiHaW6cpQR3XVNraFRu5K1RxoMFaZZgQFLn5Gc3ePMm5Kd4z5S+/sOhoa3i JWHQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXV/H+TEuXKkNk4qU1sjqlcslNMmpLniTmCu8LwtcJ0JMSQUpglMp6c7EWlmMmbW8U1+QrCEUNsbH0xW2ewLGd8dTV5 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz1/ABxzq4UHaFnCtCHmYs8wypQ3W/LsIptwlz34NjX/Tmepfkp HmWUDihxkxUsjCS/o70z2JmdG5sIovZb/Yr+S0Q22OK94TRamFHTRPLKow== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEA19BQvnv9x5X93b+waoof3+pP09sbrMIcEBWshFsVgXxo6K79A0FMd6Qo6al/1ugCZY5eBQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1a96:b0:3c7:41ba:102f with SMTP id bm22-20020a0568081a9600b003c741ba102fmr5113359oib.34.1714217571260; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 04:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([24.236.139.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id op53-20020a05620a537500b0078d67d40c49sm8741190qkn.70.2024.04.27.04.32.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 27 Apr 2024 04:32:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87v843qfvf.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:06:28 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e; envelope-from=grinn.amy@gmail.com; helo=mail-oi1-x22e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:318187 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Amy Grinn writes: > >> Philip Kaludercic writes: >> >>> We should make sure that after switching the repository, new >>> versions >>> of >>> the package shouldn't contain hard-breaks. I only used the package >>> briefly a few years back, so it is difficult for me to evaluate >>> this >>> on >>> my own. Perhaps someone here on the list has the package installed >>> and >>> could try out Amy's fork? >> >> Any feedback would be appreciated! >> >> There were a number of changes in version 0.8.3: >> >> *** Add binding for symbol object "y" >> *** Change binding for forward-until from "`" to "'" >> *** Change binding for expand-block from "v" to "h" >> *** Swap bindings for forward-defun ("E") and beginning-of-defun >> ("A") >> *** Swap binding for del-insert from "i" to "c" >> *** "i" exits objed >> *** Swap binding for objed-last from "u" to "l" >> *** Add objed-undo command "u" >> *** C-g toggles objed activation >> *** Swap binding for objed-object-map from "c" to "o" >> *** Swap binding for objed-expand-context from "o" to "O" (capital >> "o") > > I cannot comment on any of this, with the exception of the C-g change > that seems invasive. Can you elaborate on that? > The normal C-g behavior does not change but objed activation is also toggled. It's something you kinda have to experience firsthand to realize how non-invasive it is. >> In retrospect this should've been v0.9.0 according to the semver >> scheme >> Clemens is using. But we live and learn. >> >> >> >> Philip, I am using an unpublished dependency called key-game, which >> I >> wrote, which I thought might be useful for other modal editing >> packages, >> or for large packages like gnus. Anyways I will try to submit that >> package for publishing on GNU ELPA before objed is updated. > > That sounds good, just inferring from the name it sounds like wizard > or > training program? Is this going to be a hard dependency or a weak > one? Yes, it's a utility package to help create key-based or command-based tutorial games. It's not a user-facing package, similar to boxy; I wouldn't want users to have to install it explicitly. To answer a potential followup, I also wouldn't want to split up the objed tutorial game into a separate package. That would hinder discoverability and make the installation of objed more complex. All that to say I believe key-game will be a hard dependency.