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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b6fd2480ca86043ae1c45dfea6579a4f; Fri, 08 Dec 2023 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83sf4d2894.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2023 20:11:03 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21943 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.32; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic313-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313598 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Is this the best we can do on Android? AFAIU, the issue here is that > the locales available on Android are different from those recognized > by the C library. But cannot we solve this by implementing a mapping > from Android locales to libc locales? If not, why not? > > I think arbitrarily using en_US.utf8 could surprise users and worse, > could produce effects that break UX. For example, LANG defines the > default spell-checking dictionary, so the above basically forces users > of non-English locales to manually change the dictionary each time, > or customize their Emacs to do that, something they don't have to do > on other platforms. > > We solved a similar problem on MS-Windows, so why cannot we solve it > on Android? This is the behavior of other Android programs placed in similar situations, and is only designed to enable programs to output UTF-8 error messages and the like, not for these programs to print messages in the language the user has configured, most of which the Android C library doesn't support anyway.