From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.customize Subject: Re: Customize Rogue Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:50:33 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20030308144154.4ACB.LEKTU@terra.es> <200303091716.LAA12987@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047473657 3511 80.91.224.249 (12 Mar 2003 12:54:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-custom@sunsite.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 12 13:54:15 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18t5kN-0000uO-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:54:15 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18t67b-0005qz-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:18:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18t5j2-0008Ga-06 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18t5hp-0007O5-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:51:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18t5hR-0006ov-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18t5gu-0005ga-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:50:41 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18t5gC-0000fG-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:49:56 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18t5gA-0000ev-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:49:54 +0100 Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EShMmK+yFsDVDkNW07M+ctnzwfc= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12305 gmane.emacs.customize:34 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12305 Andreas Schwab writes: > See utf-fragment-on-decoding for an extreme example. It has a huge and > complicated :set function, and no way to do the same thing outside > customize. And how does that rely on the 'saved-value' property? Luc's 'set-activate' function obeys the 'custom-set' property which is what :set specifes. The example I answered manually set the 'saved-value' property which is what customize uses to remind itself to save the value in .emacs. Emacs check the 'saved-value' property specifically for inhibit-startup-echo-area-message to ensure that the variable was changed by the user, not by a system administrator.