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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Cc: emacs-custom@sunsite.dk
Subject: Re: Customize Rogue
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:23:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rjhea8iurc.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030310163108.44F9.LEKTU@terra.es

Juanma Barranquero <lektu@terra.es> writes:

> In that light, getting a message that says "Value changed
> outside of customize buffer" 

You only get that message if you actually use the Customize form based
interface.  If you use the Customize form based interface, the message
is useful.  If you don't use it, the message is not useful, but you
will not see it either.

> all to do with the fact that I want the "right" to make customize
> believe that I did M-x customize, even if I didn't.

You have that "right" (since you already have code in your .emacs that
do exactly that), but Emacs should have not contain extra code to
support functions that are never useful to any people, but does things
only people who do not know what they are doing believe is a good
idea.

Remember that you have only been able to name a *single* variable
where setting custom-saved manually from .emacs is useful in any
sense, and that variable has been *deliberately* made hard to set from
.emacs.

Emacs should provide functions because they are useful, and not for
any other reasons, including philosophical reasons.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-12 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-06  8:39 Customize Rogue Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-06  9:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-06 15:15   ` Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-06 15:45     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-07  8:03       ` Per Abrahamsen
     [not found]     ` <rjfzpzeh87.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
     [not found]       ` <200303100251.UAA13345@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
     [not found]         ` <rjsmtvuxd0.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2003-03-10 15:18           ` Kim F. Storm
2003-03-10 14:41             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-10 14:42             ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-07 19:40   ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-08 13:43     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 17:16       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-09 18:03         ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 18:25           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-09 18:49             ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 20:02               ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-10 14:24               ` Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-11 19:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-11 20:41                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-12  1:26                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-12 12:07                   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-12 18:38                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-13  0:27                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-13  7:48                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-12 20:59                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-09 18:40           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-09 19:00             ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 19:37               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-09 20:03                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 18:50           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-09 19:05             ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-09 20:28             ` Customize and inhibit-startup-echo-area-message Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-10 14:43           ` Customize Rogue Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-10 14:59             ` Andreas Schwab
2003-03-12 12:50               ` Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-10 15:04             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-12 13:06               ` Per Abrahamsen
     [not found]             ` <20030310163108.44F9.LEKTU@terra.es>
2003-03-12 13:23               ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
2003-03-12 15:00                 ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <rju1e77b8v.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2003-03-13 14:03                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-12 23:30                 ` David Masterson
     [not found]                   ` <rj1y1b8q46.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
     [not found]                     ` <uptov2g78.fsf@synopsys.com>
     [not found]                       ` <rjr89b0vxt.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
2003-03-14  0:25                         ` David Masterson
2003-03-14  4:21                         ` Luc Teirlinck
     [not found]                           ` <uadfx6b0c.fsf@synopsys.com>
     [not found]                             ` <200303142312.RAA17322@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
     [not found]                               ` <15986.27208.152000.911108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
     [not found]                                 ` <200303150002.SAA17358@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
2003-03-15  0:22                                   ` David Masterson
2003-03-15 10:33                                     ` John Wiegley
2003-03-15  0:28                         ` John Wiegley
2003-03-15  1:04                           ` David Masterson
     [not found]               ` <200303110016.SAA14021@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
     [not found]                 ` <20030311012051.6EDF.LEKTU@terra.es>
2003-03-12 14:19                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2003-03-12 14:58                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-03-13  0:13                     ` Luc Teirlinck
     [not found]                       ` <rj8yvj8qfb.fsf@zuse.dina.kvl.dk>
     [not found]                         ` <200303131444.IAA16109@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
2003-03-13 22:01                           ` Per Abrahamsen
     [not found]                 ` <200303131534.JAA16193@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
2003-03-14  5:59                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]               ` <E18sYEe-0004sQ-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20030311021233.6EE2.LEKTU@terra.es>
     [not found]                   ` <m33cluos3o.fsf@cicero.benny.turtle-trading.net>
     [not found]                     ` <200303111543.JAA14383@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
     [not found]                       ` <m3fzpt7usm.fsf@cicero.benny.turtle-trading.net>
     [not found]                         ` <200303111629.KAA14566@eel.dms.auburn.edu>
2003-03-12 14:26                           ` Per Abrahamsen
     [not found]                     ` <E18t07p-0003C4-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
2003-03-12 22:34                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-07 19:40 ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-10 14:51   ` Per Abrahamsen

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