From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jon Ericson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs setup assistants Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:05:37 -0700 Organization: I speak for myself; not JPL, NASA nor the US Government Sender: xemacs-beta-admin@xemacs.org Message-ID: References: <87zn847n6a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <1438-Thu20May2004203119+0300-eliz@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085080288 24471 80.91.224.253 (20 May 2004 19:11:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-admin@xemacs.org Thu May 20 21:11:19 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQswp-00085K-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:11:19 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQswo-0006pE-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:11:19 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.11.6p2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i4KJ6Es18496; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:06:14 -0400 Original-Received: (from turnbull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.11.6p2/8.9.1) id i4KJ5kN18182 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: (from mail@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.11.6p2/8.9.1) id i4KJ5f718133 for turnbull@tux.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:41 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.11.6p2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id i4KJ5bs18088 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQsrI-00073v-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:05:36 +0200 Original-Received: from jon-ericson.jpl.nasa.gov ([128.149.227.118]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:05:36 +0200 Original-Received: from Jon.Ericson by jon-ericson.jpl.nasa.gov with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:05:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jon-ericson.jpl.nasa.gov User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, cygwin32) X-Face: "Ro}i#1h*rV:tg+F.!]r/y,RDL'`*sc[_1LB'%*akh@LHbt,:gBJ/:2cS@:hpBLtYO)o3a; w3Tli`r,.jIZD-zR)p7:^V^}#Wz@.\av>O{!8S.h>lnL3eMT1",~EiISLm4rw/*qVW3xE#vj4}#Cq' 57,?HW3K-Hl.B+&{=>+e;R:J~'tJ*~fS*2n-G_8_5eS[w?#*JF~tj#~=zglo*\&YBS1&Zr2gP] Cancel-Lock: sha1:5JxVB9F3Wo9bm0JOihzPA5WmFuQ= X-XEmacs-List: beta Errors-To: xemacs-beta-admin@xemacs.org X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:14775 gmane.emacs.devel:23794 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23794 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > I think we might be miscommunicating. The text I had in mind was > normal text that we see even today in the Customize buffer. For > example, here is the text we see at the beginning of that buffer: > > This is a customization buffer for group Emacs. > `Raised' buttons show active fields; type RET or click mouse-1 > on an active field to invoke its action. Editing an option value > changes the text in the buffer; invoke the State button and > choose the Set operation to set the option value. > Invoke Help for more information. > > We could have similar text fragments that guide the user thru the > setup process. By the way, the above text reminds me of: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printerFriendly/uibook/chapters/fog0000000062.html Executive summary: too much text tends to confuse people who just want to setup their program to read mail, edit a document or whatever. Jon