From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Org merging [was Re: next pretest] Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <834mxjja88.fsf@gnu.org> <878umuytw7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <1pk36du2dp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761hwsxt4.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407954490 19201 80.91.229.3 (13 Aug 2014 18:28:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 13 20:28:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdHB-0002IL-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:27:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49521 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdHB-0002NS-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47747) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdH7-0002NL-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdH6-0000dW-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdH6-0000dR-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XHdH5-0003OD-I7; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:27:51 -0400 X-Spook: credit card Semtex data haven CipherTAC-2000 BLU-114/B X-Ran: JG1!0.k0vWx"A:pz_<>a*l6I!/bsB=?OZn)GA'2cR,#:/WoMrDm.~fdC=MOc?.CYw2huTx X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173639 Archived-At: Bastien wrote: > Well, it's a matter of timing. Org already gets special treatment. I don't see what else can be done. > Fixing bugs in the stable Org branch seems preferrable than merging > Org with Emacs, because I suspect the stable Org branch has more > testers than emacs-24. I suggest that after this release we stop keeping Org in the Emacs *repository*. Motivation: 1) It's usually months out-of-date. 2) Merging has been a frequent problem, wastes resources, is not a priority for you, and no-one else seems interested in doing it. 3) As you say, probably it has relatively few users anyway. Anyone capable of getting Emacs from VCS can get Org from elpa or wherever; I suspect most who want to use it do. 4) Almost no-one changes Org in the Emacs repo. 5) Org bugs reported to bug-gnu-emacs get little attention. I don't think I ever see any of the other Org people apart from you comment on bug-gnu-emacs reports. The reports usually refer to versions of Org not even in Emacs. 6) I know you have frequent problems with people wanting to use a different Org version than the one in Emacs. 7) It doesn't get any benefit from Emacs pretests, owing to point 1. We can still include it future release *tarballs*, if you like, using a mechanism to be determined before the next release. But keeping it in the *repository* seems pointless.