From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jussi Piitulainen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X - configuration package Date: 02 Mar 2004 22:04:01 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040227213744639+0000@news.eircom.net> <4fO0c.17410$PR3.420908@attbi_s03> <%i51c.103949$4o.121381@attbi_s52> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1078291282 15250 80.91.224.253 (3 Mar 2004 05:21:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 06:21:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AyOom-0006Ft-00 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:21:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AyOoM-0002rS-Ai for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:20:50 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-stoc.telia.net!news-stoa.telia.net!telia.net!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.ling.helsinki.fi Original-X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 1078257841 19002 128.214.78.39 (2 Mar 2004 20:04:01 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@helsinki.fi Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2004 20:04:01 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:121440 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:17397 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:17397 videoxfer writes: > Jussi Piitulainen wrote: >> So if you type `C-h c opt-u' it both says something like "M-u runs >> the command upcase-word" and waits for the next keypress? > > If you type 'C-h c opt-u' it does nothing, since it's waiting for I see it now. If you type it, that happens; if I type it, I get the response "M-u runs ...". We have different keyboards. See below. >> Then you may have option as meta and M-u as a prefix key. > > Afaik emacs knows nothing about prefix keys; that's a mac thing. I > don't think the standard emacs key processor even _sees_ the initial > opt-u. (I thought it would have been a prefix in the way that C-x and C-c are, an Emacs thing. I understand now.) >> You don't seem to get what you bargained for, if simply pressing >> opt-u does not insert a character. > > Do you run any form of macos? Opt-u would never insert anything. > It's a prefix character that adds umlaut to whatever you type next > (if what you type next can take an umlaut). Exactly the same thing > happens in carbon emacs, so I get exactly what I'm paying for. I run Mac OS X 10.3.2, Panther, and opt-u usually inserts u-umlaut. In Carbon Emacs with opt as meta it upcases a word. I don't use it much either, but I use M-c and M-l, and for me those are a similar case. Finnish keyboards have ordinary keys for what you call a-umlaut and o-umlaut, and for a-with-ring-above, and there is a separate prefix key that serves as umlaut/dieresis, circumflex and tilde prefix, and another prefix key that gives grave and acute accents. The latter two behave like your opt-u. Our opt-u is not a prefix key. Different hardware, different problems. That's why we had difficulty understanding each other, but I hope it's clear now.