From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cesar Crusius Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:02:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87v9ienz6c.fsf@gnus.org> <878sf9c69y.fsf@gnus.org> <871rkw62t3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: soyeomul@doraji.xyz, Cesar Crusius , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 07 19:03:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k45m6-000558-Bf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 19:03:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49184 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k45m5-00026c-Bz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k45lZ-0001gB-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x1034.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1034]:51122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k45lX-0005iq-U7; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x1034.google.com with SMTP id e4so1186672pjd.0; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=+FZFTCTG54U9Kqk2XzAiIKF0BTmAIg/b/ucQlOY0GFc=; b=gM2Yi3bw5SZMKzRJmDIXyTyu05lnsinFo9tzTOzv3EnZlvJ7bb7a3wDMfr0kq79FAw 6fl1WfNtLanu4g/r2/l/mF9WQKXcZoTX1Q5T4TavBsXSHuzw4F75JfL1WhVercdDIxqy tg7BGiqdH2ULGVGE2XNYtUz/Q4fJiIDP3QgqXrqLoEQHmrugoBz3j5sN+LLcRK0+bOEE 6l7v0Z6oxynu5ZciGYHaepNECtugetViNnKO+l1qenxDYB7ZVzxPcKeHn/cNEDPay1c2 VaqDlEgSct2OBKZiBHxHMIia49cnpMc1AY/YjqQ5sE1oZsePlmWGq6d99DXCL3Ophlc7 Xyzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=+FZFTCTG54U9Kqk2XzAiIKF0BTmAIg/b/ucQlOY0GFc=; b=MTsbPZX/zePapL8WUUs40KNHx2wQFXNG9KaH0RazFfYXWGVZeHFJ7rBoWYRakGh1lZ uU0YJuKo6XKROCx9GjPAPImVC5QcvlMFYlH8TIG38POJuxcAJvp/hQ1Gr2ESQw/ArdKB Gkl0mpEIu7YOWEJ8LKNU+JpKSMqXZJy0viReqh2yTzmTE8jk98Y+5hmQB5qRGb3/9GBE 02W8/KKwf4WSIzWXaB72a9WFCvTC/y8iNGc0LOHArm0HKOuVP2eAgpCY/3ESULVN6TrA 09oiSJowmL5XxnyI3qc6bra+3k6QVXLePPa/QrDurXCH4SRhV9uxsZHqUU52+l7imnk3 AxQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531epbxS+r46yuzTGOM8a+Rvwjvy+HKN8LK1W3ywNyCLYnX+VyI0 LOHcREDxATlQs1gNdHW9PzbpEkg/8R8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzrbE4OUIPrpvlL/Ai3W7CVIMPNaQ/QGHMSGM59n+adlKqHbPFBQ77vHbHJQCkdHQn4/5KpyA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7689:: with SMTP id m9mr13196975pll.240.1596819765855; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ccrusius-glaptop (c-24-4-33-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.4.33.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y135sm14207294pfg.148.2020.08.07.10.02.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:02:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 06 Aug 2020 22:56:12 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1034; envelope-from=cesar.crusius@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1034.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253502 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > The person you want to reach out to is probably > > dvratil@kde.org. Here's a relevant blog post from him, about how > > he fixed the Kontact Oauth2 problem: > > > https://www.dvratil.cz/2019/08/kontact-google-integration-issue/ > > Lars, is this something you can do? > > > My auth-source-xoauth2 package "avoids" that by having every user > > do the API key dance with Google, and as a result is rather hard > > to setup. > > Aside from the inconvenience, is there anything about this we simply > cannot ask users to do? Does it require accepting terms that are > unjust and not required for using Gmail itself? I went through the process a long time ago, so I can't answer that with cer= tainty. The current legalese is in the pages here: https://developers.google.com/terms Somebody with a keener legal eye could look at it, but there are certainly = more/different terms there. As an aside, it is worth noting that my package is not Gmail-specific. It c= ould be used for the Reddit example given before via similar means: registe= r a project/app in Reddit, get the keys, etc. The crux here is that there needs to be an app - their intent is that the s= oftware producer (in this case an "Emacs" or "Gnus") registers an "official= " app, and the app manages its secrets in a way compliant with their terms = (which we already know is pretty hard for OSS projects). =2D-=20 Cesar Crusius --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEsu/ErKn7yEV7E0FU/X9qSDfQj2EFAl8tiTAACgkQ/X9qSDfQ j2Fwvgv8DDK4NwGZfp4TqBRfcwsNB7ZqPSSNnRSRYamYAM3BaJc4ILcZDjnyDIWy ZjOeDBpepab0+lR2XD+g0nrNruOlI7KrlZ6DM+qR6PXzjSR7daK69bEqPsSrkWIt xAOdVIqlIYm7CatRD3WJv3s8KqoDwtozTR1E+kXiu1cKMTasNqjxBuRLl1upJXOL N6ItFinV5nGm+hdNghUGHMn6qe5s06NEBlWREz7QdfOBs7g9VMY9KEXdIeUjfQwG 2x/KUQ+xrbQDphMZqMiacp5zMwSv64xiAHMAjRt/95knjFfuCwi4TfsMUzXiCEl4 6fXMv9rC3HLgbrbJTJ8QPabnLNDgkM/3UPc/VUmPd2bXAY7uiyEAl00StLkOllFn zcdPRNBSegKkh3CekesejPae/lNAzOmI/4RpD3KgSVPZT1trlfI5ngpXg3Ld/MJE TUz0ile8rySi4yFZV9tgyhXO8xUyE6s+4odVJx0bCPI0Nus3+Yc05usWajWOV23u YlPsDwCN =c6yK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--