From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: admin/MAINTAINER edits Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8h9mbbrt9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhbn9d47.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443724323 29817 80.91.229.3 (1 Oct 2015 18:32:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 18:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 20:31:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhie6-0006AV-8W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:31:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55152 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhie5-0005VN-NN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:31:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhhjx-0003TZ-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:33:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhhjw-0007mr-3f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:33:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhhjw-0007mn-0f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:33:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zhhjv-0001wv-6B; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:33:55 -0400 X-Spook: San Diego ammunition Keylogger beanpole [Hello to all my X-Ran: (#.">5#0pnM^O,"k8txtSFa9YH;HNo (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2015 12:01:12 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190578 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> What's going on with all these pointless (IMO) admin/MAINTAINER edits? > > They aren't pointless. I asked for them. I obviously disagree. :) If you look at the VCS history of the file, then in the past decade you are almost the only person who ever edited it. Everything else (bar ~ 2 commits) is just the slow deletion of obsolete information. It was on the way out. I could critique ever entry in the file, but will just pick one example. The reftex additions are pointless, because every one of those files already listed auctex-devel as the maintainer. It's just make-work and duplication. If someone wants to maintain foo.el, they should put their name in the Maintainer field in foo.el. (I'll leave aside the broader concept of whether "ownership" of files in this way is useful; eg http://producingoss.com/en/managing-participants.html#territoriality ) > In fact, the entire section 3 could go away, as it doesn't provide any > useful information, IMO. At least we agree on that much. :) > Many/most our files say the maintainer is FSF, which is not very > useful. Zero files say that the maintainer is FSF. (I know because I removed such statements some time ago.) >> (And the presumption is that the Author is the Maintainer if none is >> explicitly listed.) > > That assumption is incorrect in many cases. The original authors are > long gone or lost interest or no longer work on Emacs. Indeed true.