From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Neal Becker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Time to consider/try Helm? Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87a7mv84c0.fsf@sphax> <87d0rq3g8a.fsf@work.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87wopyidps.fsf@mbork.pl> <87ftwm9x6b.fsf@work.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87muqsiooh.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1541254120 13842 195.159.176.226 (3 Nov 2018 14:08:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:08:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/4.14.10 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 03 15:08:35 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwbL-0003VM-66 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:08:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55742 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwdR-0005xR-Kk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:10:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwcw-0005xM-Qc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwcr-0002Zl-ON for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=42697 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwcr-0002YO-Eo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 10:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gIwai-0002rA-4j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:07:56 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118582 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > > On 2018-10-31, at 12:23, YUE Daian wrote: > >>> Ivy can do these things, too. >> >> Sure. And dramatically after I tried Ivy since yesterday, I have already >> uninstalled helm... > > Wow, that escalated quickly. > >> Thank you guys, for helping me find a new tool that suits my taste more. > > As someone who used both Helm and Ivy, could you summarize the key > differences? I don't think I'm going to switch to Helm;-), but I'm just > curious. > >>>> I think the biggest change helm brings is that it uses buffer instead >>>> of mini-buffer to display its results. >>> >>> How is that beneficial? (I don't claim it isn't - I just don't know >>> what are the pluses.) >> >> Here "change" is a neutral word. >> >> Some people like it, some people don't. >> >> Some people say that using an individual buffer may display more >> information, such as file size, directory etc for buffer list. >> >> IMHO most information is not really needed (by me). >> >> So personally I could accept it, but I don't miss it after switching to >> Ivy. > > I see. > > Thanks, > I have't tried recently, but had played with helm, ivy, etc while trying spacemacs. As someone who's used emacs for maybe 30+ years and has lots of muscle memory, I found them all unacceptable. The issue is that I often want to get a completion and then edit it. Maybe rename a file to a similar name but then change some characters. I found it difficult/impossible to use the emacs editing I'm used to on completions. One of these addons even had the nerve to rebind the arrow keys to not move the cursor! This is a criminal act :)