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[74.72.51.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n31sm2953097qtc.36.2020.05.05.14.44.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 05 May 2020 14:44:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a72vn0b0.fsf@no.workgroup> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::729; envelope-from=rbutoi@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x729.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123029 Archived-At: Gregor Zattler writes: > Hi Radu, emacs users, > * Radu Butoi [2020-04-27; 18:20]: >> Gregor Zattler writes: >>> And then there is the question who other providers will show >>> quoted-printable E-Mails in their clients (web interfaces). >> >> I appreciate your skepticism here :-) -- but from everything I've read the quoted-printable encoding is well-supported by most/all email clients. It is from RFC2045 (MIME), whereas f=f is the lesser-supported RFC3676. Doing a search of my maildir, I find a large majority of them contain it. To test this, I'll be sending this message without hard-wrapping and with the Q-P encoding. If it shows up fine, I think I need to `edebug` the Emacs MIME library to find out exactly what's going wrong. > > This paragraph of yours is wrapped fine by notmuch show, but > this is to expect, it's merely a single long line. I do not > re-fill it here. > > f=f is different though it: > > 1. f=f renders paragraphs with soft line breaks thus every > email client should be able to show it even if not able > to grok f=f. > 2. f=f enabled mail clients are not only capable of > re-flowing the paragraphs to the window size, but even > quoting in several levels is preserved while reflowing > the paragraphs > Indeed, f=f is better in many ways -- it's just that Gmail doesn't support it so I want to work around that. > > I re-filled your last paragraph. > > I fiddled around f=f several years ago and found > > a. support in email clients to be lacking > b. f=f does not support, but to the contrary ruins, plain > lists and indented paragraphs. > > > Points a. and b. were deal breakers for me and so I stay > with hard line breaks till today. But since I want my > emails to be readable even for people on mobile devices I > opted for short lines. Thus your screenshot is really > helpful for me. > >> Thanks for your responses! And let me know if this shows up okay. > > Have a look for yourself, ciao; Gregor > -- > -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.- Glad to help. It seems like the web interface wraps my email fine (as well as my phone, as expected), so I'm going to try to dig into this MIME issue further, starting with a new thread to this list that narrows down the problem with the MIME library. Thanks, Radu