Re: accents

Re: accents

[Pascal Bourguignon]

"Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi there,
>
> I have a problem with emacs and accents. Emacs works perfectly with
> accents in a text console, and in graphics mode. However, in a
> windowed console (emacs -nw), I can't write  accented letters
> (although they can be seen perfeclty). Moreover, trying to write
> accents while executing emacs in a remote host (with ssh), in a
> windowed console, does not work too, but it works perfectly in the
> remote host if executing with a text console.
>
> The same symptoms happens in two Debian Etch computers, one with GNOME
> and the other with KDE.
>
> Can anybody help me?

The first question, is what encoding does your terminal use to encode
non ASCII characters when you enter them?  (ISO-8859-1, UTF-8, KOI-8,
etc).

Then, there is the problem that the Meta key can be encoded either by
a prefix ESC, or by setting the high-bit of the ASCII code.  If you
want to transmit characters encoded in a 8-bit character code, you
need to configure your terminal (or terminal emulator) to send the
Meta key as a prefix escape, not as a 8th-bit set.

Once you've identified the encoding used by your terminal, you can
configure emacs to process it with something like:

    (setq default-terminal-coding-system 'iso-8859-1)
or:
    (setq default-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)

or whatever it is.




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Re: accents

[Andrés Ghigliazza]

Pascal,

Thanks for you answer, but I have not luck yet.

I tried the command set-terminal-coding-system with both (I guess that
I am using ISO-8859-1, but I can't remember where to see it). With
ISO-8859-1, accents and "ñ" are seen right, but I can't type them (the
same for the default). With UTF-8, neither I can see them, nor I can
type them.

Any other idea? I recall you, that the problem is just in windowed
terminal, and it happens in local and remote hosts with ssh (in normal
terminal, it works perfectly in local and remote hosts).

Thanks very much,

tizo




On 7/16/07, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> "Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have a problem with emacs and accents. Emacs works perfectly with
> > accents in a text console, and in graphics mode. However, in a
> > windowed console (emacs -nw), I can't write  accented letters
> > (although they can be seen perfeclty). Moreover, trying to write
> > accents while executing emacs in a remote host (with ssh), in a
> > windowed console, does not work too, but it works perfectly in the
> > remote host if executing with a text console.
> >
> > The same symptoms happens in two Debian Etch computers, one with GNOME
> > and the other with KDE.
> >
> > Can anybody help me?
>
> The first question, is what encoding does your terminal use to encode
> non ASCII characters when you enter them?  (ISO-8859-1, UTF-8, KOI-8,
> etc).
>
> Then, there is the problem that the Meta key can be encoded either by
> a prefix ESC, or by setting the high-bit of the ASCII code.  If you
> want to transmit characters encoded in a 8-bit character code, you
> need to configure your terminal (or terminal emulator) to send the
> Meta key as a prefix escape, not as a 8th-bit set.
>
> Once you've identified the encoding used by your terminal, you can
> configure emacs to process it with something like:
>
>     (setq default-terminal-coding-system 'iso-8859-1)
> or:
>     (setq default-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
>
> or whatever it is.
>
>
>
>
> --
> __Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
>
> NOTE: The most fundamental particles in this product are held
> together by a "gluing" force about which little is currently known
> and whose adhesive power can therefore not be permanently
> guaranteed.
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>

Re: accents

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ "Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com>:

| I tried the command set-terminal-coding-system with both (I guess that
| I am using ISO-8859-1, but I can't remember where to see it). With
| ISO-8859-1, accents and "ñ" are seen right, but I can't type them (the
| same for the default). With UTF-8, neither I can see them, nor I can
| type them.

Isn't it set-keyboard-coding-system (C-x C-m k) that is relevant here?
AFAIK, set-terminal-coding-system only governs what you see.

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Re: accents

[Andrés Ghigliazza]

> | I tried the command set-terminal-coding-system with both (I guess that
> | I am using ISO-8859-1, but I can't remember where to see it). With
> | ISO-8859-1, accents and "ñ" are seen right, but I can't type them (the
> | same for the default). With UTF-8, neither I can see them, nor I can
> | type them.
>
> Isn't it set-keyboard-coding-system (C-x C-m k) that is relevant here?
> AFAIK, set-terminal-coding-system only governs what you see.
>
> --

Thanks very much to all for your time.

Harald, keyboard-coding-system was exactly de problem.

Pascal, sorry for top-posting.

Best wishes,

tizo

Re: accents

[Pascal Bourguignon]

"Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com> writes:
> Thanks for you answer, but I have not luck yet.
>
> I tried the command set-terminal-coding-system with both (I guess that
> I am using ISO-8859-1, but I can't remember where to see it). With
> ISO-8859-1, accents and "ñ" are seen right, but I can't type them (the
> same for the default). With UTF-8, neither I can see them, nor I can
> type them.
>
> Any other idea? I recall you, that the problem is just in windowed
> terminal, and it happens in local and remote hosts with ssh (in normal
> terminal, it works perfectly in local and remote hosts).

What do you mean you can't type them?  
I see a ñ above, you must have typed it no?

In anycase, it should be a question with your terminal emulator.

In MS-Windows 3.11, I used to enter accented characters by something
like  AltGr-abc with abc being the code of the character typed on the
numeric keypad.

If you type AltGr-233 (or AltGr-0233, I don't remember) and get é,
then it means that the transmission between your terminal emulator and
emacs works correctly.

Perhaps there is some control panel or other kind of dialog to
configure paramaters allowing you to tell MS-Windows that when you
type the key marked ñ, it should get a character ñ...


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/

NOTE: The most fundamental particles in this product are held
together by a "gluing" force about which little is currently known
and whose adhesive power can therefore not be permanently
guaranteed.

Re: accents

[Andrés Ghigliazza]

I can type the "ñ", but when I type it in an emacs on a windowed
terminal (and I don't mean in MS Windows, I mean in a terminal in a
window in GNOME or KDE), it is not show. I think that emacs does not
realize that is a "ñ" (because others "ñ" that are already in files,
can be seen without problem). By the way, in all other programs, and
in X emacs, or emacs in a full text terminal, the "ñ" and accent
letters ("á", "é", etc), works perfectly.


On 7/17/07, Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> "Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com> writes:
> > Thanks for you answer, but I have not luck yet.
> >
> > I tried the command set-terminal-coding-system with both (I guess that
> > I am using ISO-8859-1, but I can't remember where to see it). With
> > ISO-8859-1, accents and "ñ" are seen right, but I can't type them (the
> > same for the default). With UTF-8, neither I can see them, nor I can
> > type them.
> >
> > Any other idea? I recall you, that the problem is just in windowed
> > terminal, and it happens in local and remote hosts with ssh (in normal
> > terminal, it works perfectly in local and remote hosts).
>
> What do you mean you can't type them?
> I see a ñ above, you must have typed it no?
>
> In anycase, it should be a question with your terminal emulator.
>
> In MS-Windows 3.11, I used to enter accented characters by something
> like  AltGr-abc with abc being the code of the character typed on the
> numeric keypad.
>
> If you type AltGr-233 (or AltGr-0233, I don't remember) and get é,
> then it means that the transmission between your terminal emulator and
> emacs works correctly.
>
> Perhaps there is some control panel or other kind of dialog to
> configure paramaters allowing you to tell MS-Windows that when you
> type the key marked ñ, it should get a character ñ...
>
>
> --
> __Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
>
> NOTE: The most fundamental particles in this product are held
> together by a "gluing" force about which little is currently known
> and whose adhesive power can therefore not be permanently
> guaranteed.
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> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
>

Re: accents

[Pascal Bourguignon]

"Andrés Ghigliazza" <tizone@gmail.com> writes:

> I can type the "ñ", but when I type it in an emacs on a windowed
> terminal (and I don't mean in MS Windows,

Yes, I'm sorry, I assumed you were using MS-Windows, but this is your
fault, because you are top-posting.  So I didn't read any context
before answering.

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accents

[Andrés Ghigliazza]

Hi there,

I have a problem with emacs and accents. Emacs works perfectly with
accents in a text console, and in graphics mode. However, in a
windowed console (emacs -nw), I can't write  accented letters
(although they can be seen perfeclty). Moreover, trying to write
accents while executing emacs in a remote host (with ssh), in a
windowed console, does not work too, but it works perfectly in the
remote host if executing with a text console.

The same symptoms happens in two Debian Etch computers, one with GNOME
and the other with KDE.

Can anybody help me?

Thanks very much,

tizo

Accents

[Vinicius Jose Latorre]

Hi,


I'm not getting to insert the following characters using Emacs:

char   ==>  key shown by C-h k

 ~     ==>  <S-dead-tilde>
 `     ==>  <dead-grave>
 '     ==>  <dead-acute>
 "     ==>  <S-dead-diaeresis>
 ^     ==>  <S-dead-circumflex>


Vinicius

accents

[Carine]

Hello,

I'm using emacs 20.4.1 under Solaris 2.8 and I've got some accent
problems : it use to work when I just typed "e'" for example to make
an "é" but it doesn't work anymore.
And if I force it using M-x iso-accents-mode, under Latex, it works
except that the compiler doesn't interpret them (no error but no
output either).
But when I start emacs, I've got the following error : 
Error in init file: File error: "Cannot open load file", "iso-syntax".

Anybody could help me ?

Thanks,
Carine.

Re: accents

[Kai Großjohann]

simon@eurecom.fr (Carine) writes:

> I'm using emacs 20.4.1 under Solaris 2.8 and I've got some accent
> problems : it use to work when I just typed "e'" for example to make
> an "é" but it doesn't work anymore.
> And if I force it using M-x iso-accents-mode, under Latex, it works
> except that the compiler doesn't interpret them (no error but no
> output either).
> But when I start emacs, I've got the following error : 
> Error in init file: File error: "Cannot open load file", "iso-syntax".

Did you use Emacs 19 before?

I suggest to remove everything about iso-syntax from your init file,
and instead do C-\ then select the latin-1-postfix input method.

If C-\ emits an error message, post again.

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Re: accents

[Carine]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) wrote in message news:<84wum9afn2.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>...
> simon@eurecom.fr (Carine) writes:
>
> Did you use Emacs 19 before?
> 
Yes but even on the 19 version, it doesn't work anymore.

> I suggest to remove everything about iso-syntax from your init file,
> and instead do C-\ then select the latin-1-postfix input method.
> 
> If C-\ emits an error message, post again.
Now, if I take the iso-syntax off, it doesn't want to load auc-tex
anymore.
And with the command you said, it does write letters with accent but
latex cannot interprete them.
How complicated sometimes...

Thanks,
Carine.

Re: accents

[Kai Großjohann]

simon@eurecom.fr (Carine) writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) wrote in message
> news:<84wum9afn2.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>...
>
>> I suggest to remove everything about iso-syntax from your init file,
>> and instead do C-\ then select the latin-1-postfix input method.
>> 
>> If C-\ emits an error message, post again.
>
> Now, if I take the iso-syntax off, it doesn't want to load auc-tex
> anymore.

Please provide the exact error message and what you need to do to
produce it.  Also the contents of ~/.emacs might be helpful.
Otherwise, we are stabbing in the dark.

> And with the command you said, it does write letters with accent but
> latex cannot interprete them.
> How complicated sometimes...

Well, I always use

    \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
    \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}

to teach LaTeX about Latin-1 characters.  Maybe that works for you,
too?

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