From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Newsgroups: gmane.discuss,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: aioe (was: Re: Is there a problem with Gmane at the moment?) Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <864ma15sjs.fsf@student.uu.se> <86y47d4dt3.fsf@student.uu.se> <864ma1fdtf.fsf@student.uu.se> <87r3d5j9oz.fsf@gnus.org> <8660ugtdsj.fsf_-_@student.uu.se> <861t54td7a.fsf@student.uu.se> <86bn47ka9m.fsf@student.uu.se> <864m9z0wnm.fsf@student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1463353787 17988 80.91.229.3 (15 May 2016 23:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: gmane-discuss@quimby.gnus.org Original-X-From: gmane-discuss-bounces@hawk.netfonds.no Mon May 16 01:09:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gd-gmane-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b25A6-0008IW-3i for gd-gmane-discuss@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=quimby.gnus.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1b25A5-0004pH-QF; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:25 +0200 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1b25A5-0004pB-3M for gmane-discuss@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:25 +0200 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b25A3-0008FJ-Tx for gmane-discuss@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:24 +0200 Original-Received: from ip98-167-165-199.ph.ph.cox.net ([98.167.165.199]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:23 +0200 Original-Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip98-167-165-199.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 01:09:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip98-167-165-199.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.141 (Tarzan's Death; GIT fefda68dd) X-BeenThere: gmane-discuss@hawk.netfonds.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gmane-discuss-bounces@hawk.netfonds.no Original-Sender: "Gmane-discuss" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.discuss:17063 gmane.emacs.help:109968 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg posted on Mon, 16 May 2016 00:43:57 +0200 as excerpted: > OK, let's see if I understand it: > > If Gmane does it, altho one server is down, by crossposting to a group > associated with another server, that is up, all Gmane users still get it > in the group associated with the server, that is down! > > However if the client does it, it only works for people that also > subscribe to the group associated with the server, that is up! > > But what about all other people? They don't get it. > So perhaps this method isn't that good as the post only reach a subset > of the group's subscribers. > > Perhaps better to wait for the down server to resurface? Correct... AFAIK, anyway. (I have some experience with news and of course mail and have read and I believe understood at a non-implementor's level anyway, many of the news and mail RFCs, but I'm not a dev and thus obviously haven't actually implemented my own news clients or servers, neither am I a gmane admin so I don't have any behind the scenes knowledge there, but with those caveats, yes, I believe your summary to be correct as a high-level description. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman