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[24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q18sm5148931pgn.34.2020.05.28.16.44.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 28 May 2020 16:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by raman-glaptop.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 13930) id F0E32C21170; Thu, 28 May 2020 16:44:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200528163355.28231341@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (Perry E. Metzger's message of "Thu, 28 May 2020 16:33:55 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f; envelope-from=raman@google.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62f.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -175 X-Spam_score: -17.6 X-Spam_bar: ----------------- X-Spam_report: (-17.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251591 Archived-At: "Perry E. Metzger" writes: People often complain of "steep learning curves" as being "bad", but that is a value judgement. If you want to go high, I prefer a steep curve to a flat plain -- and metaphors aside, so-called easy-to-learn systems usually dont get their users anywhere very fast. A better goal is perhaps "fun-to-learn" > On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:37:19 -0400 Stefan Monnier > wrote: >> > What does C-g mean? >> >> For me, the intuition is a sound that I find hard to transcribe into >> ASCII but could be something like "ghuhuh!" with the accent on the >> second "u" and a good dose of frustration sprinkled throughout ;-) > > And besides, it doesn't matter where C-g comes from. Thousands and > thousands of people memorized it. I memorized it in 1983. My fingers > will not do anything else at this point. > > Any other key sequence would, regardless, be just as arbitrary and > capricious, and not any easier to learn for newcomers. > > It is the nature of a system like Emacs that the learning curve is > extremely steep, but once you have crossed it, you work far more > efficiently than you did before you assaulted it. > > Perry --