From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: raman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434381276 12596 80.91.229.3 (15 Jun 2015 15:14:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 15 17:14:36 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4W5r-0002tI-F2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:14:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34744 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4W5q-0003Yi-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:14:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4W5n-0003Ya-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:14:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4W5k-0003Vx-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:14:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236]:36402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4W5j-0003Vh-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: by pdjm12 with SMTP id m12so74889491pdj.3 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=g3Bu+2MxzFrPzLZyKhys5VCv3ZumnyFU5fWUELJ+XBw=; b=bCicASVAjryl1ZTI9M3FMeDaTE6I1cqI6wH+lRL8wYQ7KNHdGEIoneFkYsdyhTAVwZ yHchsraGgIW5rldw5labKk6JoWpkoMdSCdrMNH+U35IIJA846OWbjh8MGlbusRM0aBqo CBW2vRt6Y+6S7mHyTBvBVdPZj6Dl2GHCig5Hfg8l/E5DtXg4u9pARGEzzxHvNeTTsqsx ZhhrENbKCb9vFOUJaMfU7gyBZdYl0Heo0aZOq+zwHM2I8VFyzzXTztLyuXmtYveivkDq /zZ3HkbetbnaOZqsCrGYJ31ccrfnINJQf4oegF6npdp0WsOPQMHFB3k/d5CrZTYSBZf/ aM/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=g3Bu+2MxzFrPzLZyKhys5VCv3ZumnyFU5fWUELJ+XBw=; b=V1lvvW4O6+JKMdtTSeY5U6aTEETry2YY/m6riNstwfmnHtvpJXn7tLa63rrCtrcqc8 WK1Om2EiPzomw9A2VC1GIBNiV/lIS94E0hTIpmGHhUebsiovE9mH2Vk5WUosjphV1Lxx 3deO06OXmUuwH9UL272es2gcge6fP7+5qq0AGNN3fE+e1EkoKiYDrHCC8r71Fh10iopd HVhkqKjye43w0zngOB7dF0N9Cr/ZPWDs+WnUneuQ5RFF+S8zZ2vqpnWnDfiWHsu65uuF 2Jqy1CxDUiyxfSC/TM3YO3ipQRHCiYb89GaEn2G2DuQ9b0Zxn5IEsfOnVvfi0+2ManKT /PKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmWyMJzT+Sh5BY5LX9+cfGjgflZ6bgYhmtdsLzIHz6TSNC7lIt47Tu/kcsCGVumaqc3AtWx X-Received: by 10.68.190.8 with SMTP id gm8mr49098774pbc.30.1434381266924; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from raman-glaptop ([207.198.105.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xq9sm7653941pac.3.2015.06.15.08.14.25 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:22:37 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187174 Archived-At: I agree strongly with you that the source code shouldn't get contaminated by the display needs of groups of users -- or be dictated by some display convention that changes over time --- this all feels like abandoning email headers in favor of coding them up with HTML spans and font/color tags. The trend you observe is especially disturbing in a long-lived project like Emacs. --