From: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
To: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: emacsclient in elisp
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 07:55:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <p91cztm4vtl.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6fed43bb-d880-bcd5-6f6f-004b6182e539@daniel-mendler.de> (Daniel Mendler's message of "Wed, 19 May 2021 16:13:11 +0200")
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Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de> writes:
take a look at epc --- > On 5/19/21 3:41 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> No. I think the reason goes as follows: for the intended purpose of
>> `emacsclient`, the time needed to start Emacs itself makes an ELisp
>> implementation useless...
>
> Of course.
>
>> and for other purposes you can generally have
>> a separate server process per client process and it's just as easy if
>> not easier to then use `start-process` and a ad-hoc communication
>> protocol...
>
> When I a start an Emacs process in the background, which IPC protocol do
> you recommend to communicate with it? Should I start a separate custom
> TCP server on the daemon and then communicate with it using a TCP client
> (inventing my own protocol and with the implied security issues)?
>
> I cannot start the Emacs in the background and communicate with it by
> sending/receiving data via stdin/stdout, since Emacs does not offer an
> asynchronous facility to read from stdin. Asynchronous reading would be
> needed on the daemon. If I am calling `read-from-minibuffer` there it
> reads from stdin but blocks the process. Is this correct?
>
> For my use case it is necessary that I start an Emacs process in the
> background, which stays alive for some time, maintaining some state.
> Then this process should be controlled asynchronously.
>
> There exists the async package, which starts a new Emacs process per
> future if I understood correctly. This is not sufficient for what I am
> trying.
>
>> rather than having to reuse the protocol used for `emacsclient`
>> (which is neither very convenient nor very extensible).
>
> I am not sure I agree. I can send sexps and return sexps which I
> consider a sufficiently extensible protocol. But from what I've seen the
> client is buggy - it is for example not possible to send strings
> containing \0 bytes.
>
> Daniel
>
--
Thanks,
--Raman
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-19 14:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-19 12:50 emacsclient in elisp Daniel Mendler
2021-05-19 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-19 14:13 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-19 14:55 ` T.V Raman [this message]
2021-05-20 14:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-20 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-20 15:52 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-20 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-20 16:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-20 17:49 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-20 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-20 19:10 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-20 19:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-20 20:54 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-21 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 10:33 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-21 10:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 16:25 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 6:38 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 6:36 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-20 21:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 10:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 14:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 15:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 21:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-22 6:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 10:09 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-22 10:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 10:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 11:49 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-22 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 13:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-22 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-21 16:10 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-21 16:36 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 6:27 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 7:25 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 6:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 7:26 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 16:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-21 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-21 22:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-05-22 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-19 21:56 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-19 22:43 ` chad
2021-05-20 8:42 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-20 15:59 ` Arthur Miller
2021-05-20 17:45 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-21 19:52 ` Arthur Miller
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