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[24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 26-20020a17090a1a1a00b001fab208523esm1926304pjk.3.2022.08.31.17.31.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 31 Aug 2022 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2022 18:12:03 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::631; envelope-from=raman@google.com; helo=mail-pl1-x631.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -175 X-Spam_score: -17.6 X-Spam_bar: ----------------- X-Spam_report: (-17.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294461 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: I disagreethat we were not a "resounding" success;=20 1. We were successful as you pointed out. 2. We were still making noise -- so that meets the "resounding" bar. >> Because magit is hooked into so many places, every part of Emacs was >> giving some error. For example, pressing RET on an info node was also >> not working. >> >> An external package can cause so much damage. Can this be prevented? > > :-) > > Emacs tries to make a lot of things possible. It also tries to prevent > bad things, but it tends to be pretty conservative in this respect since > the two goals are in conflict. > > To the extent that your problem prevented you from using Emacs but > did not make you lose work (presumably), then I'd consider that the > efforts we make to "prevent bad things" were successful. > Maybe not a resounding success, admittedly. > > > Stefan > > --=20 Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8