From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116644: ChangeLog entries should be usable without the VCS Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393954112 6260 80.91.229.3 (4 Mar 2014 17:28:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 04 18:28:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8x-0003Fz-9g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:28:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8w-0006d7-Pu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39263) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8u-0006cd-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8p-0001Mc-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8p-0001MY-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:31 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WKt8o-0003BX-OH; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:28:30 -0500 X-Spook: warfare Gazprom data haven Armani Putin Rumsfeld top X-Ran: 0(25u_R!_:~3a.y`@Lp[=hg]D.WNKHgOpZ\IPhz`>c0/m!_^J3N!n80+fC!Q*D!; List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170135 Archived-At: The ChangeLog should be understandable to someone sitting there with just the source tarball and no VCS. "Fix revno:foo" is literally useless to such a person. There's nothing to discuss here. Git hashes versus bzr revisions, generated ChangeLogs, what gets written in *commit* logs, the various ways people access the Emacs sources, it's all irrelevant. Anyway, none of this gets us any closer to 24.4. So I hope this thread will die, and that people with the time to comment will instead look at documenting the remaining issues in NEWS and fixing the numerous outstanding bugs.