From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ncr (numeric character reference) to unicode Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5-WdnWGdu7Z1AH7UnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@sysmatrix.net> <3LydnaCSF_RDIXnUnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sysmatrix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240011689 1526 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2009 23:41:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:41:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 01:42:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Luxhn-00075r-OF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:42:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46316 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LuxgP-0007LH-0w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:41:21 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sysmatrix.net!news.sysmatrix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:20:40 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 59 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.131.199 Original-X-Trace: sv3-aEH9cx+tn7HaoPyQxbBxUeU+Tp8GKZk6YqKF9mUQvPzichrkN2l7HWCJpnHxv6MN771kiRe4WPnAK95!rYc488rzj5H6liqDFeSxftKvdlLK5JMIP8vU5ut8h9TuOJum3K//RHhQKBrdZdQirkioboRaCJxq!XNWNA+Ck+61+LYZqjmaTYszvfSyIFUY= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 X-Original-Bytes: 3314 Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:168560 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:63834 Archived-At: Stephen Berman wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:39:43 -0500 "B. T. Raven" wrote: > >> But now I find that if I copy-paste from Emacs 23.0.90.1, the Greek letters >> >> >> αβγδ >> >> appear in Mozilla Tbird (here) in the original order but >> >> >> Saw this right to left order in Emacs 23: בִּּרֵאשׁיתבָּרָּאא לֹהִים אלתשָּׁמַיִם וְ אלת הָ ּאָרֶ ׃ Copy-pasted here in Tbird: ׃ ֶרָאּ ָה תלא ְו םִיַמָּׁשתלא םיִהֹל אאָּרָּבתיׁשאֵרִּּב First line C-c C-v (CUA) here in Tbird: בִּּרֵאשׁיתבָּרָּאא לֹהִים אלתשָּׁמַיִם וְ אלת הָ ּאָרֶ ׃ And it doesn't matter which direction the Hebrew text is selected in. In fact S-arrow won't move over the Hebrew, character-by-character but it selects the whole line, whether characters are in forward or reverse order and whether cursor starts at left or right. Ed >> >> >> is automatically reversed without running the above command on its region. ??? >> Is there invisible bidi info in the string or is it just the fact that the >> characters are Hebrew that causes this? > > Presumably the latter. I guess Thunderbird works like OpenOffice.org, > which also automatically reverses the Hebrew text, and whose Help entry > for "bi-directional writing" says: > ,---- > | Currently, OpenOffice.org supports Hindi, Thai, Hebrew, and Arabic as > | CTL [Complex Text Layout] languages. If you select the text flow from > | right to left, embedded Western text still runs from left to > | right. The cursor responds to the arrow keys in that Right Arrow moves > | it "to the text end" and Left Arrow "to the text start". > `---- > > Steve Berman > > >