From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:01:19 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111255112 27941 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 17:58:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 18:58:32 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiDB-00072p-6p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:58:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiTu-00057U-Qy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:15:26 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!feeder.enertel.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!feeder.xsnews.nl!aioe.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 9EGqVzZOPJF34TsvHVPUaQ.domitilla.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:59:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129418 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24973 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24973 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:16:24 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > Emacs has not shown itself to accommodate systematic corporate > involvement well. It will as far as I can see always be dependent on > dedicated individuals instead of corporate support, simply because you= > can't make a business plan involving Emacs development and timelines. > I see. In that case there really is no obvious benefit of devoting = development resources to make Emacs more user friendly. BTW, it seems in the corporate world Eclipse will fill this space instea= d = of Emacs. It's a self described "universal tool platform - an open = extensible IDE for anything and nothing in particular". When a newbie = tells me he gave up on Emacs because is to alien I usually tell them to = = use Eclipse instead. And they usually are happy, because it's nice, shin= y = and point-and-clicky. :) -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/