From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:00:53 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111247891 9428 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 15:58:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 16:58:11 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgL1-0002p7-KR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:58:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgbk-0003jT-2K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:15:24 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 9EGqVzZOPJF34TsvHVPUaQ.domitilla.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:59:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129400 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24955 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24955 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:33:37 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > PT writes: > >> The newbies I met usually used a "visual" editor before. Like >> SlickEdit, Eclipse or Visual Studio. > > Strange concept of a "newbie" here. Of course, I meant an Emacs newbie... One who used other software before= , = but not Emacs. > So the vetoing power should stay with those that have an interest of > keeping Emacs as their working editors for decades. If we can improve= > the first month of a newby without souring the last decade of a > seasoned user, we will by all means do so. But bending over backwards= > for the sake of people that are unlikely to stay with Emacs in the > long run, anyway, is a waste of effort. The question is: is more people using Emacs a good thing at all? Or is i= t = only an additional burden (more clueless people on the help forums, etc.= )? We should answer this question first, because if attracting more users t= o = Emacs is not really a priority then this thread is completely pointless.= -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/